did he officially adopt her?
"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," Previn said at the time. "I came to America when I was seven. I was never remotely close to Woody. He was someone who was devoted exclusively to his own children and to his work, and we never spent a moment together."Previn also said the two began seeing each other around the time she was 20-years-old. She told Time magazine "By that time his relationship with Mia was long done, and they were going through the motions." She added, "They were friendly but rarely went out, and apart from when they worked together or played with their children, had little to do with one another."
Previn also said the two began seeing each other around the time she was 20-years-old. She told Time magazine "By that time his relationship with Mia was long done, and they were going through the motions." She added, "They were friendly but rarely went out, and apart from when they worked together or played with their children, had little to do with one another."
― Mordy , Monday, 13 January 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
don't know anything about such testimony, but ok. Nothing's been proven. xxxxp
she's not his daughter, adopted or otherwise.
bye thread til we get the Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry obits.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases really don't feel equipped to say how bad a person is in most cases
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
phil got stuck again - someone should reset him
― Mordy , Monday, 13 January 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
uh bcz "the rest" is afaik dependent solely on believing Mia and Ronan's accusations. They may be true, they may not be. xxxp
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 13, 2014 10:47 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes and no. it's definitely cloudy, but as cloudy as you might think. you should read the vanity fair article before you keep talking about this. the same goes for everybody.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
Morbz otm throughout here
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
i generally dont really care if artists are horrible monsters im just in it for the art but to say that woody allen doesnt pretty obvs have some issues around sexualizing children is just pretty willfully oblivious of both woody allen and the world
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
not as cloudy
i meant to write
could woody sue mia and ronan for libel...? they are stating as fact horrible things that haven't been proven in court. i imagine hashing this out in court again is the last thing he wants to do, and mia/ronan know it.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
heaven forbid we believe the account of someone who said they were abused or like take it into account when looking for patterns of behavior
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
there isn't a pattern of behavior tho, right? i'm not dismissing the dylan accusations at all btw, but i don't think soon-yi situation is comparable at all. there's a wide gap between molesting a seven year old and marrying a twenty year old. even if the twenty year old was his daughter (which she isn't)
― Mordy , Monday, 13 January 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
^^^^^^
lag∞n,if you are defining "children" as pre-adolescents I don't see it
also, youre a fucking troll
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
7 old enough for morbs apparently
― balls, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
mayring a 20 y/o whos been in yr family since she was seven you dont think thats suspect, and fwiw iirc woody and soon yi are the only ones in the family saying they didnt know each other when she was a kid
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 13, 2014 12:01 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
your behavior itt is seriously unconscionable youre a fucking misogynistic piece of shit fuck off
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
mayring a 20 y/o whos been in yr family since she was seven you dont think thats suspect
yes
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
soon-yi pretty much textbook grooming
― balls, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
in yr family
conventional definition of "family" does not really apply to Mia and co., is the problem. it is definitely a weird thing that Woody did, and suspect, but Mordy is correct that it's a v different thing from pedophilia.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
she wasn't his daughter, she's just the daughter of the woman he'd been dating since soon-yi was about 9, a woman with whom he adopted children with
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
soon-yi thinking it's not creepy doesn't make it not creepy fwiw
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
Mia and her brood of ill-named children def creeps me out. Running a pre-adolescent commune on the Upper East Side.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 13, 2014 12:05 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Monday, January 13, 2014 12:03 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that farrow's children say they saw woody as a father figure, and woody swears he didn't see himself as their father figure, it's quite possible both are telling the truth
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
"i swear, all along it was just a long-gestating groom sesh. no parenthood involved."
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
its quite possible woody is a sexul predator saying conveint things
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
woody allen and future bride:
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19ccpyky31b20jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
― lex pretend, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
strangers at a game
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
"i was just the guy who dated their mom for a decade, brought new kids into the clan, and then took one kid out. I wasn't, like, a dad."
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
You can't deny his movies have been basically shit ever since he gave into the dark side.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
i'm not sure which if any of the above posts and responding to me but i should just say that I have absolutely no idea who to believe in this situation. IIRC the child who was alleged to have been sexually abused by woody said some things to some people and other things to other people, or to the same people the 2nd or 3rd times. children can be tough witnesses--they are very subject to suggestion either way. and they are often severely uncomfortable in the formal setting of a deposition or courtroom, which could also effect testimony either way. reading the vanity fair article i got the distinct sense that woody was, at least, a creep but it was hard to know what else to believe.
sorry if this isn't sufficiently decisive or whatever.
Mia and her brood of ill-named children def creeps me out. Running a pre-adolescent commune on the Upper East Side.― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 13, 2014 11:06 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 13, 2014 11:06 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i would have thought this too but given how none of the her kids seems to be strongly poorly adjusted and all, at least per vanity fair article, are fiercely loyal to her and their adopted siblings even into adulthood, I revised that feeling.
i dunno this seems a case where jumping to conclusions based on things being "weird" is not going to help you, since everyone involved is very unusual.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
manhattan?
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
i admit it's hard for me to imagine living with mia amongst a bunch of young kids and not feeling, if not exactly like "their father," then at least like a "father figure." i mean, what else would you be?
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, January 13, 2014 12:02 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw sry morbs i dont think youre a piece of shit, you are a misogynist tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
all the curious spin-zone qualities of the farrow clan aside, there's enough in woody allen's life, from making jokes about his teenage first wife's rape on, that celebrations of his work should probably not climax with diane keaton singing the Girl Scouts theme.
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it's possible that Farrow pressured Dylan to make up or exaggerate something, sure, she's kind of fucked up and crazy, w/e, who knows. But once someone comes out and makes a weighty allegation like that, it's pretty hard for me to just be like "Eh, it's just unproven allegations, shrug." I mean just the difficulty of coming out with a story like that makes it something I have to take seriously. And btw Soon-Yi and the frequency of uncomfortable old man/young woman relationships in his films, I can't really shake off the feeling that there's a strong chance it's true.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
is that what happened on the golden globes? i didn't watch them. if so, yikes.
xpost
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
there is a strong easily observable pattern here
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
that looks shockingly like what we know about the patterns of sexual preditors
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwPY1rJ_bU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mON8atk0_t4
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this isn't one of those snarky questions, i promise, but can you lay this out--what you think to be the pattern--clearly here?
i think we should separate the films from the personal behavior btw.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
dude dated teenagers in the '50s, '70s and '90s
― da croupier, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
the films are corroborating evidence too, obvs you wouldnt make a case just on that but they def have something to say about how he sees the world
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
I think in particular it's the fact that the FILMS (not just the Woody Allen characters) are oblivious to the creepyness of the relationships, e.g. Manhattan
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Woody's like the Bret Saberhagen of creeping - odd numbered decades, watch out for your young women
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
when i first saw manhattan (not too long ago) i was amazed at how the relationship his character had w/the 17 yr old was kind of framed as "yeah she's younger than me, nbd, 17 years old w/e." not "surprised" i guess.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Like you watch Manhattan and the film itself tries to portray the Muriel Hemingway relationship as sweet, and of course Muriel Hemingway's character is so mature and in control for her age, don't you see?
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
I assume ppl who are reading the 2013 vanity fair article are also reading the older vanity fair article from the early 90s, if not pls do so
― yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
if the recent revelations about british media personalities from the 60s and 70s are anything to go by the truth of these situations is usually worse than you think, rather than better
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
but ... his character is pretty clearly aware of the creepyness of the relationship in Manhattan, he refers to their age difference as an issue all the time
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
their age difference isnt an issue as much as the absolute age of the high school girl hes dating, he treats it like shes 22 or something
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link