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J0hn, perhaps you can clarify, because I don't get what yr getting at.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

mike's are way clever. everyone else did ok. i'm pretty unhappy with mine.

world destructor is pretty cool but i wouldn't rank it above pm dawn.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

I think the book itself made many valid points. It is flawed in some ways, and I'm not saying he should strictly follow nor agree with what it discusses, but certainly it reflects the ways in which music developed and what was valued in music in the seperate black and white communities throughout U.S. history with trenchent accuracy.


I'd rank PM Dawn somewhere between Arrested Development and Talib Kweli.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Clarifying: you read Blues People. For you, it seems to have been a revelatory experience, opening new vistas for you: perhaps confirming some things you'd already thought, perhaps introducing new ideas to you, perhaps challenging you to reexamine some of your own beliefs. Great! Someone else may read Blues People and think, "What a load of shit! Everything in this book is front-loaded nonsense designed for further an ideology that's never clearly articulated." If someone reads Blues People and has that reaction, it doesn't mean they "didn't understand" the book. It means that that was their take on it. The classic example of this sort of phenomenon is with fundamentalist Christians, who will tell you that if you read the New Testament and didn't convert, then you "didn't understand" it. This, too, is horseshit.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

Or, perhaps I'm asking for him to clarify what it is he doesn't agree with? Which would have been a relevant thing to discuss back when I first mentioned the book waaaaaay back in the thread. But it was much easier to take the easier way out and personally insult me for another 400 posts.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

hey ddrake would it be lame if i posted really good PM Dawn photos? because i really like browsing on google images but ... i guess i feel that i don't have anything to show for it if i don't post them somewhere.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

hehehe. PM Dawn is hilarious. Post away.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

it was much easier to take the easier way out

You'd know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

FOR THE CLOSE CAPTIONED:

"The classic example of this sort of phenomenon is with fundamentalist Christians, who will tell you that if you read the New Testament and didn't convert, then you "didn't understand" it."

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

Give him another 200 posts, DB, he'll start claiming that's what he meant all along at that stage of the game.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

Just making sure people with impaired vision can read J0hn's last point there... I care for the blind.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

99% I regret when I post pictures.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

I'D know?! I've explained my opinion every time someone's asked and haven't made personal insults along the way.
perhaps you can explain yourself (for once) with more than a two-word wise ass response that isn't even clever?

Hey donut, I got it. Read what followed.
I asked him to explain why he disagreed.

Are YOU having trouble reading?

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

x-post, responding to ddrake

Well, but what you said was: That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book

That's fundamentalism. What he wasn't displaying was that his knowledge conformed to yours.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

I care for the blind.

I care, much like Carrow's.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

I do like Billy Sunday though.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

Elmer Gantry is more my kinda guy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

and haven't made personal insults along the way

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

Give him another 200 posts, DB, he'll start claiming that's what he meant all along at that stage of the game.

ONCE again, another bullshit "hahahahaah I'm so funny" comment by Ned, instead of actually explaining or arguing any sort of point here. Assuming one portion of my argument that isn't accurate, reposting it over and over again....oh yr so clever.

Fucker.


That's fundamentalism. What he wasn't displaying was that his knowledge conformed to yours.

I got yr point smartass. And my follow up was "so what was it that you disagreed with."

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

I ALWAYS assume that, DB. And when somebody calls me a 'fucker,' it is only out of the spirit of agape as the Greeks spoke of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

Remember, Ned, than when anyway tells you "ned, seriously, fuck you", they mean love and bunnies.

I told ned to fuck himself in response to a cavalcade of personal insults he'd already heaped on me in this thread. Wise ass remarks, etc etc etc

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

dude, step away from the computer. go for a walk. smoke a joint. hug a bunny. seriously.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

Of course.
God forbid someone say the same thing to the people who've been giving me shit in this entire thread.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

Hey donut, I got it. Read what followed.
I asked him to explain why he disagreed.
Are YOU having trouble reading?

Nope.

Or, perhaps I'm asking for him to clarify what it is he doesn't agree with? Which would have been a relevant thing to discuss back when I first mentioned the book waaaaaay back in the thread. But it was much easier to take the easier way out and personally insult me for another 400 posts.

Sounds like you dodged J0hn's point -- then whined and bitched and hyperbolized about how you got insulted... again.


I told ned to fuck himself in response to a cavalcade of personal insults he'd already heaped on me in this thread. Wise ass remarks, etc etc etc

Have we SERIOUSLY come to the kindergarten era "You started it first" argument, now?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

well I'm gonna go take my own advice. cept I think all of the bunnies are hibernating or some shit. losers.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

ddrake, I gave you a slew of serious answers you seemed to respond to well enough. So why do you end up just undercutting yourself constantly? There are better ways around things (and once again oops has some good advice to heed).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

x-post

You're dodging the issue! The subject isn't Blues People at all! It's that you took issue with being called a fundamentalist, and, q.e.d., the relevants quotes regarding your fundamentalist attitude have been shown! I am sorry if you took my last post to be smart-assy, I didn't mean it that way.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

(my appetite for this kind of back-and-forth is almost limitless and probably not healthy, any minute now I'm gonna start calling for the thread-lock)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link

500 plus posts, Jesus, it almost makes me feel sorry for the poor kid who wanted some kraut-hop recommendations. How's he gonna find them in this mess?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

This shit is still going on?! JESUS CHRIST, ddrake, WE GET IT. you NEED ATTENTION. THERE. that is some attention.

happy to help (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

He picked up on the relevant posts, Alex -- he started a separate Semantics and Music thread which is quite good, give it a read!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

"Semantics and Music" is an underrated thread.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

The hypocrisy of this thread blows my mind.

The hypocrisy of people calling ME out for acting like a child after what went on for the majority of this thread is baffling.

The fact that J0hn still refuses to answer this:
You're dodging the issue! The subject isn't Blues People at all! It's that you took issue with being called a fundamentalist, and, q.e.d., the relevants quotes regarding your fundamentalist attitude have been shown! I am sorry if you took my last post to be smart-assy, I didn't mean it that way.

So your purpose in this thread is to get me into some sort of logical trap? See, I thought it was the actual issue we were discussing, which WOULD be Blues People.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

Congratulations, you caught me in one of yr clever logical traps. I was being a "fundamentalist" for asking why Ned wasn't appreciating a point in a book that I felt was relevent.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-but ddrake, the most important part of "fundamentalist" is FUN!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Not a f***ing "logical trap"! A pointing-out of biases inherent in your approach to discourse! Relevant! Absolutely relevant!

well ok perhaps nothing is "absolutely" relevant but you get my point

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

It might also be 'mentalist,' Curt1s.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Someone lock this fucking thread, for gods sake. I DID walk away, do other things today, and I come back and its a return to "dude, ddrake is such an idiot cause he thinks he knows what we listen to!!!1!!11! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. Dude, ddrake is an idiot cause he is a fundamentalist!! YEAH!! THat's what he's being!! HAHAHAH. Lets continue to ignore what he's saying and argue semantics!"


J0hn, "biases inherent in my approach to discourse"? So what are you saying, I'm not arguing correctly? Excuse me. In the meantime, lets avoid the point of what I'd been saying by attacking the way in which I argue, even though clearly this point is irrelevant to my argument as a whole.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Congratulations, you caught me in one of yr clever logical traps. I was being a "fundamentalist" for asking why Ned wasn't appreciating a point in a book that I felt was relevent.

BECAUSE NED HAS NOT READ THE BOOK AND IS NOT OBLIGATED TO READ THAT BOOK NOR ANY FUCKING BOOK THAT YOU'VE READ BECAUSE ARGUING ON THE PREMISE OF A BOOK THAT ONLY YOU'VE PROBABLY READ MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A FUCKING SNOB AND A VERY FRAGILE DEFENSIVE SNOB AT THAT

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

This is starting to read like a wordy Beckett play. Although DB just turned it into street theater.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/gamespot/flameINC/TS5.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

Gygax you crazy mixed up wonderful man. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:13 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Donut bitch, what the fuck are you arguing here?!

If he doesn't want to read it, I'm not trying to fucking make him!

Using a previously written book as the basis of an argument makes me into a "snob"?! What the fuck is wrong with you?

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:13 (twenty years ago) link

Remember how I initially brought up the book?

AS A FUCKING RECOMMENDATION.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Someone lock this fucking thread, I have shit to do, and I don't need to hear any more of this bullshit.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

If he doesn't want to read it, I'm not trying to fucking make him!

*scratches head, looks upthread*

Seriously Ned, read Blues People.
To quote big lebowski.

"You're out of yr element donnie."

Bam.

-- ddrake (ddrak...), November 17th, 2003. (later)

Maybe there's a Dr. D. and Mr. Drake situation here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

Someone lock this fucking thread, I have shit to do, and I don't need to hear any more of this bullshit.

Yes, we will lock threads for you because you can't control yourself posting on them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

Using a previously written book as the basis of an argument makes me into a "snob"?! What the fuck is wrong with you?

Because the person you're arguing with has the unfair advantage of not having the knowledge contained within the book, and therefore not only makes the continuation of said argument silly and invalid but gives you gloating points for being more "literate". Don't pretend otherwise, fucker x 401. (Sorry, had to one up Ned there)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Ned, "Read it motherfuckers" was the first recommendation.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link


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