Yes, I know this, which is why I keep cracking up that deej chose "hemiola" as an example and seems determined to go down in flames defending the choice rather than saying "maybe that was a bad example"
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:02 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it was obv a bad example bc people just like saying the word over & over—it was merely an example of a macro rhythmic trick as opposed to a micro ('he's so off beat!') one
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
Can we change the name of this thread to something that has hemiola in it please?
― longneck, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
this seems clear to me, too - as I said back when the hemiola first reared its head, it sounds like Keef can't hear the beat. that means either a) he actually couldn't, or b) he could, but the vocal track in (most likely) Pro Tools got dragged a little ways one way or the other in mix
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:00 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
im willing to believe the latter is also a possibility. it doesn't sound like he can't hear the beat at all though...he's still rapping to a beat of some kind
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
that's why i think it's misaligned, because the rhythm in his track is internally consistent but consistently off from the beat.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
xp that's what I think is the case - he heard it when he tracked it. sorry if this is almost doubtless overexplaining shit you already know but when you track in Pro Tools (and I assume in any other digital protocol but PT is the standard, p much everybody uses it) whatever you're playing ends up on a track like here:
http://cdn.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/pt.jpg
you can click and drag on anything in there and move it right or left, and producing in pro tools is basically untold hours of clicking and dragging - moving beats over, words over, deleting regions you don't like and pasting in parts you do, etc. I have no idea how producers can stand it, it's numbing to watch. but I recently had a track dragged about an inch and a half to the right accidentally, because everybody was tired, and we didn't know it had happened and when we listened to playback, it sounded like nobody could hear anybody else.
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
I have no idea how producers can stand it, it's numbing to watch
i would hate to do it for music that's supposed to sound live and seamless and untouched by the cold digital hands, but it's fun when it's the creative method you're using to make the music happen (ie rap beats or electronic music).
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
step up in Deej's town you know everything ishe-mi-olahe-mi-olahe-mi-ola
― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
the 'engineer messed up' theory makes no sense to me because there's songs all over Keef's major label album where the vocals wobble in the vicinity of the beat in the exact same way, it seems consistent with performances throughout his career
― deez the season (some dude), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
he's still rapping to a beat of some kind
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:10 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post
The beat of his own drummer, man
― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
y'all are hemiolaphiliacs
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
i swear i'll still be reading this conversation in 5 years' time
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
he should do a track with that dude from das racist, heemsiola
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
― deez the season (some dude), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:39 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are you trolling or
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
nah -- that verse sounds like a lot of his verses to me. the fact that you seem to advocate that the verse is either deliberately rhythmically complex OR the result of an engineering accident as if those 2 theories are in any way compatible seems more like trolling to me.
― deez the season (some dude), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
you seem to be the only one who doesn't hear a difference between that particular song and his others. is the difference between his flow being slightly off the beat and the actual placement of his words w/in each measure not a concept you're grasping or
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
ok, so if i'm wrong and that verse is unique and glaring -- which theory do you support? is it him doing rhythmic backflips or a lousy engineer? it can't be both.
― deez the season (some dude), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
he is soooo nice lol i herd his gang killed lil jojo rotf
― Phoebe (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
most sweetest post-oj da juice can't-have-my-cocaine weed music
― Phoebe (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
chicago is a seriously mixed crows
― Phoebe (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
we went over that when it was first discussed, sd
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
im not blaming the engineer, i think its intentional (think dont know). but i disagree, his entrances are all coming in on the same early count -- it sounds like his verse (or the waveform) is shifted to the left.
although i kind of like this too lol:
KENNY GK 2 days agoKeef killed this. the beat is just fucked up smhReply ·
― D-40, Monday, December 31, 2012 2:34 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hemiyolo
― flopson, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Maison Hemiola
― longneck, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
ha this thread: a+ #teamkeef #teamhemiola
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
don't you mean #teamiola
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link
#otm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link
<university of chicago gamelan/>
― dude-icrous (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:10 AM (25 minutes ago)
Yeah, I don't think it's a tracking thing, it sounds like he's consistently rapping in a different tempo, rather than just ahead/behind the beat -- it is rhythmically interesting - mistake or no, intentional or unintentional
― sarahell, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 22:29 (ten years ago) link
oh shit just remembered deej scoffing at dev hynes saying the empire state building is a g flat but sure hes cool w keef hemiola such bs wtf #unfair
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
his voice is so rich
― dude-icrous (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
#gangsta
Rap Game Don Caballero
― Divvy Bikes to Watch Out For (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
Don cab are boring tho
― sarahell, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
see if keef tried to play me by saying "totes going for a hemiola there" i would also scoff
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
what only you are allowed to declare hemiola ?!!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:26 (ten years ago) link
music critics i swear man they got it twisted
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link
#humer
― dude-icrous (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:30 (ten years ago) link
#nylmatic
― dude-icrous (color definition point of "beyond "color, eg a transient that), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link
#3Hunniola
― Divvy Bikes to Watch Out For (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 00:44 (ten years ago) link
I did a search for Keef's "Almighty SO" album and found nothing. Anyway I can't stop listening to it.
― C.A. Hall (C.A.H.OOTS), Saturday, 25 January 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3335KNFYK1I
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 March 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8BZGP15g4
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 3 March 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Best Buy bonus track from this album was fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IduVvrgKiqc
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 3 March 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-white-chief-keef-has-arrived-and-hes-everything-yo-1570430902
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
that's so stupid
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:16 (nine years ago) link
viral fail
def thought that was gonna be a stitches post
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
just found out this guy is facebook friends with me smh
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
yung lean was the white keef anyway
― whatchutola khomeini (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxPu15m6kuA
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 03:15 (nine years ago) link