Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

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Yeah, well, she used to get pretty nervous live, that's true. But by the time of Milk & Kisses it seemed to me she might have conquered a lot of her fright.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Can't find a damn thing on the "official web site" about a reunion other than rumours.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Off to the desert!


Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

maybe they'll tour later this year with Dead Can Dance and my head can FUCKING EXPLODE

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

new order billed below nine inch nails?
bauhaus and cocteau twins billed below coldplay?

my heart just broke

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Milk & Kisses is really, really, really wonderful.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

America gets Bauhaus and Cocteau Twins reunions, meanwhile I was informed via The Guardian Guide that London gets 30th Anniversary Tour visits from Styx and Kansas. Totally unfair !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Junkie frigging XL? Puh-leez. I would say: Let's hope he breaks up in a million pieces but that'd just mean a reunion in ten years time. ;-)

I have only heard Heaven Or Las Vegas. Wouldn't say classic, because I have to be in the right mood for her *glossolalia*. But it sure is pretty music.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

holy fuck...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

It is official. Hell of a time to be not in California. This is shaping up to be the worst year of my life.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fuck.

There must be UK dates, surely.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

I hope so!

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...
cocaine

mdma

together

terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Drug fiend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cocteau Twins, along with King Crimson and David Sylvian (japan/Rain Tree Crow/Nine Horses), rates among my absolute favorite musical acts. My only issue is that I find Liz Fraser's post-Cocteau output a bit underwhelming. "This Love" with Craig Armstrong and her Massive Attack collaborations are notable exceptions. "At Last I am Free" (taken from the 'Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before Compilation), on the other hand, sounds unfocused. Liz posesses, in my opinion, probably the most beautiful voice in music and I think it would be interesting to see here work with some composers/producers that could do her singing justice.

As for possible artistic directions, I could imagine a piece driven by Fripp Soundscape and Frisell Loops with electro-acoustic drum work By Pat Mastelloto, some electronically treated harmonized trumept lines by Nils Petter Molvaer, some excentric fretless bass work by Mick Karn and, beautiful piano/synth treatments courtesy of Ryuichi Sakamoto. I could think of may other possible directions, but this is just off the top of my head. All in all I still think she has the potential to surpass even the greatest cocteau twins moments, given the right environment.

Cliftonb, Friday, 6 January 2006 05:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

she doesn't seem to be interested in doing much of anything though, oddly enough.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

I JUST RIPPED MILK & KISSES TO MY IPOD THEREFORE I RULE OKEETHNCXBYEEY

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

underrated album, that

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

The last one I bought was Four Calendar Cafe, but I think I heard Milk & Kisses once. Perhaps I should seek it out again.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Violaine" is one of my favorite late-period Cocteau songs -- it stands up to the best of Heaven or Las Vegas, easily

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 09:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is the one Cocteau Twins album I actually had sex to.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

intentionally?

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Oh my god if Cocteaus could ever forgive you

Meanie!

Tell the X Mal Deutschland fans to go fuck it all.

Cocteaus happiness.
Quisquose.

I'm gonna sic the vinyl on your ass. I'm trying to peaceful, but...
sorry.

EAT THE VINYL

EAT IT

Oh shit

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 4 January 2009 08:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

In a certain celebrity mailout this appeared...

'The reason the Cocteau Twins' comeback last year didn't happen is because even though Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser had put their differences to the side (clue - £££££) Liz insisted that her partner be the drummer on the tour. Fine.

All was going well until Robin got pissed, looked through the tour expenses and saw that Liz's partner was getting paid a bit more than the other hired hands. He went batshit mental, rang up Liz and told her that this was outrageous and that he shouldn't even be getting paid AT ALL as Liz was making money and so her partner "didn't need to be paid".

Liz basically said (in indecipherable made-up language no doubt) she couldn't take this and if Robin was kicking off even before the tour started, it could only get worse. So she walked and that was it - reunion over. She apparently walked away from "millions".

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate (aldo), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Good for her.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 24 July 2009 13:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can understand being annoyed that he's making MORE than others but not getting paid AT ALL? Fuck that.

Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not getting paid at all, says an anonymous secondhand source.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah there's an obvious grain of salt there but still.

Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.

Turangalila, Friday, 24 July 2009 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview

And we do all grow older:

Looks v. elegant!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

The hell.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

And of course this was beautiful

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

sleeve, Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

LOL just saw this.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

The...hell.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores

Yeah I noticed that error too, his claim she "only" did the Massive Attack album. Crap! She also worked with FSOL, Yann Tiersen, and Peter Gabriel (her work on the Millenium Dome album is lovely).

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is her single available somewhere online, the RT website or something?

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh and she did that gorgeous song with the Bathers!

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha that Cocteau Madness video is amazing.

Reading back through the thread it seems like "not liking Cocteau Twins" was the mid 80s/early 90s equivalent of "not liking Radiohead".

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually maybe it still is.

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really? I rarely come across people who vehemently dislike them or think theyre not cool to like. I do come across peopel whove not heard them though, or are indifferent.

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

I dunno. With advent of the internets and it being so easy to be a music "expert" they're arguably more popular than ever, with which comes the inevitable backlash viz "They're so unanimously liked that I intensify what would otherwise be indifference to their music" &c.

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

That clip up is so o_0 in ways I can't actually articulate. It's almost like a parallel universe or something.

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

some things are better not explained it seems

iPrincess 2.0 (electricsound), Monday, 19 July 2010 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

This isnt stuff I didnt already know (the stuff about random dictionary words and whatnot). She's said that heaps of times.

Gumbercules (Trayce), Monday, 19 July 2010 01:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know - it was both precious and cathartic at the same time? I've seen Lost Highway too many times so a certain Lynchian trippiness came into it for me as well, more or less uninvited :) Also think youtube doesn't quite do it justice...

lynshrooom, Thursday, 9 August 2012 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dame Judi Dench Goes Ambient

i would buy ten copies of this record

half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Thursday, 9 August 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

dame can dance

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ain't that a smack in the calfskin.

Andy K, Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink


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