Impossible to choose between "Muzzle," "Porcelina," "Thru The Eyes Of Ruby," "Galapagos," and "Where Boys Fear To Tread," but I think I'll give it to the latter since it hasn't been getting upped yet on this thread...
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link
As for the "make it one disc" thing, I raised that question on this thread and got some responses, for anybody into that kind of thing...
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
who gonna be the kook that votes 4 tales of a scorched earth
― ralph, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Fuck's sake - the whole point of Mellon Collie is that it's an overblown indulgence-fest; one of the last ones in mainstream rock - and that's why it's a great album. All this trimming-down talk, fffff!
― the next grozart, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link
haha, Alex in NYC makes the same exact diss in both this thread and mine.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
it's definitely 1979 for me
― winston, Friday, 7 March 2008 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link
very tough choice between "Tonight Tonight" and "In the Arms of Sleep"
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
TRULY TRAGIC THIS
― teresa, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think I ever listened to anything but the singles, and of those "1979" is the only one that still rates.
― milo z, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Kinda feels like this is the 'last album of the '90s.'
― milo z, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I actually think an Adore poll might be more interesting. Although maybe "Perfect" is the obvious winner there.
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link
this album is the sound of me at 14
― latebloomer, Friday, 7 March 2008 03:59 (sixteen years ago) link
vinyl tracklist:
Side one: Dawn
1. "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" – 2:52 2. "Tonight, Tonight" – 4:14 3. "Thirty-Three" – 4:10 4. "In the Arms of Sleep" – 4:12 5. "Take Me Down" (Iha) – 2:52
Side two: Tea Time 1. "Jellybelly" – 3:01 2. "Bodies" – 4:12 3. "To Forgive" – 4:17 4. "Here Is No Why" – 3:45 5. "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" – 9:21
Side three: Dusk
1. "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" – 4:18 2. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" – 7:38 3. "Muzzle" – 3:44 4. "Galapogos" – 4:47 5. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" – 3:46
Side four: Twilight
1. "1979" – 4:25 2. "Beautiful" – 4:18 3. "Cupid de Locke" – 2:50 4. "By Starlight" – 4:48 5. "We Only Come Out at Night" – 4:05
Side five: Midnight
1. "Where Boys Fear to Tread" – 4:22 2. "Zero" – 2:41 3. "Fuck You (An Ode to No One)" – 4:51 4. "Love" – 4:21 5. "X.Y.U." – 7:07
Side six: Starlight
1. "Stumbleine" – 2:54 2. "Lily (My One and Only)" – 3:31 3. "Tonite Reprise" – 2:40 4. "Farewell and Goodnight" (Corgan/Iha) – 4:22 5. "Infinite Sadness" – 4:02
^^^^ would much rather listen to it this way. This makes it seem more like a 6-EP box set s.t. you can put on a different side for different moods. Which I think brings the whole album to a perfect level of pretense and pomposity.
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 04:02 (sixteen years ago) link
xxpost "Appels + Oranjes" is far and away the best thing on that album. And there are a lot of great songs on that album.
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link
That vinyl tracklist is WILD! Wow. What's "Tonite Reprise"?
I always felt like this thing needed to end on something a little more dramatic - probably "By Starlight."
And I'm with Curt1s, "Appels + Oranjes" is my favorite Adore track, although at the time "Tear" ranked really high with me, and to this day does a more precise job of bringing back the exact feel and smell of a certain era in time than any other song, not sure why or how that happened but it did. "Perfect" is, I'm sad to say, kind of boring! Am I right that it was a single? Not that this was an album really overflowing with obvious hits, but it seems like a weird, wimpy kind of choice.
Granted, by that point Billy had taken a 90-degree turn away from the blatant arena majesty of SD/MCIS, in favor of a kind of extended love letter to particular electro goth genre work, lush and watery on one end and aching/sparse on the other. I like a lot of songs off Adore and Machina I, but they're really different animals than Melon Collie.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 March 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link
My fave on Adore has to be "For Martha," what a stunner. That and "Blank Page" actually outdo the closing ballads on Mellon Collie.
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm half into DAWN of vinyl tracklist, it is better this way.
― nickalicious, Friday, 7 March 2008 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean TEA TIME.
"Tonite Reprise" is an acoustic guitar version of "Tonight, Tonight"
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 7 March 2008 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember seeing this post-Siamese Dream MTV news bit about how Smashing Pumpkins were readying their new album, and it included a 4 second clip of Corgan recording the vocals of "Muzzle" in their studio, and I played that 4 seconds over and over in my head for months until the album actually came out. And the finished "Muzzle" totally lived up to it - I love how the drums roll in on that song...
― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 7 March 2008 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I think my answer would be "Thirty-Three", but i'll have to listen to this album again to work it out.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 March 2008 11:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I never liked "Perfect". I liked Adore at the time, but in retrospect it has a lot more cloying, embarassing moments than Mellon Collie.
Back to Mellon Collie - "Beautiful" is the perfect soundtrack to teenagers in love in 1995.
― the next grozart, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Adore more cloying than Mellon Collie? Hmmmm...
― Simon H., Friday, 7 March 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
no wai
― remy bean, Friday, 7 March 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
-- latebloomer, Friday, March 7, 2008 3:59 AM (15 hours ago)
YES. well, 13 for me, but it's hard to explain how deeply invested i was in this album. not much of it holds up anymore for me, apart from a few tracks, but there isn't any other album that's more of a nostalgia trip for me back to '95-96 than this one.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
1979 vs. muzzle, for the vote. i'll probably go with 1979
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 7 March 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
voted "muzzle". go figure, it might actually win...tho now i have a twinge of regret for not voting "bodies"...that "love is suicide" lyric perfectly sums up the overwrought adolescent romantic fatalism that drips from this album...
btw, my favorite song off adore is definitely "shame." "blank page" gets 2nd, but it's not really all that close.
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link
btw, my favorite song off adore is definitely "shame."
Cosign, to eternity.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link
actually, weirdly enough, in response to the "it-would've-made-an-awesome-single album" comments, i actually think this would have made an awesome double-album if billy would have put some of the b-sides on it ("cherry," "rotten apples," "medellia," i know some folks out there like "set the ray to jerry") and ditched some of that stylistically-adventurous filler. if "cherry" was on this album, i would voted for that instead.
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
'have voted' i mean. sry bout that.
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 7 March 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, yeah, "Set the Ray to Jerry" is my favorite SP song, period - I would have voted that in any poll it was on.
― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link
It's top five for me. First time I heard it I was all "And this is buried away as a B-side!"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link
obscured
― jergïns, Friday, 7 March 2008 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
fave track on adore has always been 'to sheila', love the mandolin solo in the middle. i'd totally be down w/ a MCIS that had both 'set the ray to jerry' and 'cherry' on it
― 6335, Saturday, 8 March 2008 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i never got into STRTJ but i just soulseek'd it and it does sound pretty stupendous...terrific drumming it's got there.
i read somewhere that someone thought that maybe it was written for d'arcy.
― Drugs A. Money, Saturday, 8 March 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
also, that it was flood who put the nix on it being on MCIS.
― Drugs A. Money, Saturday, 8 March 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link
unsafe levels of muzzle love thread so far
sane people: vote for 1979
― The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 8 March 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
*in this
― The Macallan 18 Year, Saturday, 8 March 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm kind of obsessed with the concept of billy releasing "the aeroplane flies high" as the follow up to mcis in a total "fuck you, eat some rawness" move. it would work pretty well split up into 6 sides.
― winston, Saturday, 8 March 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link
the 12 year old in me wants either "Bodies" or "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and I'm going with the latter...and I still have my copy of aeroplane, loved it back then...
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Saturday, 8 March 2008 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link
"Bodies" > "Bullet"
Relistening to Zeitgeist (yeah, I know) reminds me how much credit Flood should get for nailing such a diverse set of songs, both on this and "Adore," when producers nowadays will drown a fucking simple rock record in endless overdubs and hyper-compression.
― Simon H., Saturday, 8 March 2008 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link
jergins OTM
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 8 March 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Anybody else get the Aeroplane Flies High box set? It has some really cool stuff...I remember one super mellow James Iha song especially being great.
I'm gonna go up to the attic and get it.
― nickalicious, Saturday, 8 March 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
It has like seven great mellow Iha songs on it. Makes me think he should've just saved them up and released another solo record...then again I suppose Iha makes more off of Pumpkins obscurities than from his actual solo records.
― Simon H., Saturday, 8 March 2008 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Iha's SP b-sides are alright, but his solo album...who was it that called it "the gayest album ever recorded"? Pretty OTM
― Z S, Saturday, 8 March 2008 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link
My memory was OTM. "Bodies" FTW, "33" close 2nd.
― Sundar, Saturday, 8 March 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Is any of the stuff on that Machina II album any good? There was never any proper release of that, right? I seem to remember the story was that Billy pressed 25 vinyl copies, and someone made heinous low bit rate rips of the vinyl, and that circulated... am I way off there? Surprised they haven't put that out "properly."
― Savannah Smiles, Saturday, 8 March 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
The rips don't sound that bad. "Slow Dawn" is on Judas O and doesn't sound any different from the mp3s of Machina II.
― Simon H., Saturday, 8 March 2008 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link
"White Spyder" is good
― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 8 March 2008 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Machina 2 has some nice things on it, depending what flavor of Pumpkins you go for. It's all less polished than MCIS, but thankfully less overcookeed than Machina itself. For the rawk I would go for "Glass' Theme," "Car Star," "White Spider"... then there are some nice lush midtempo things, mainly "If There Is A God," "Here's To The Atom Bomb," and James Iha's lovely "Go." "Lucky 13" has sweet drumming and a cool weirdo riff, kinda feels like a turned-down "The End Is The Beginning Is The End."
It's all DEFINITELY worth hearing if you're a fan.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 8 March 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
it is nowhere near as good as a one direction song though
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
one direction sampling smashing pumkins would be the best dream ever.
― Nourry, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
I just fixed the CD player in my car - well got the penny out that my kid stuck in there - and busted this out after a long time and damn this is so well recorded. The drums absolutely thump
― Heez, Friday, 8 July 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
Trudat.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 July 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link