Bands nobody ever talks about anymore in the "England" chapter of the 1980 new wave guide I just bought for $2 off a seemingly homeless guy set up on the sidewalk of St Marks

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Lene lovich (wait, wasn't she from detroit?)

- severe adolescent crush!

the headboys

- from Edinburgh, I think. Hyped and then vanished. One powerpop single of note 'Shape of things to come'

penetration, the fabulous poodles

- a vague memory, but now seem to be highly rated by UK punk collectors

wreckless eric

- legendary figure, incredible voice, discussed here recently. Still gigging, rumoured to be reforming the (flat out garage punk) Len Bright Combo.


Soukesian, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

New Toy > Lucky Number

(Both "New Toy" and B-side "Cat's Away" were played often in Detroit by the Electrifyin' Mojo.)

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

>Penetration were apparently almost never anywhere near as good on record as they were live.

I'll still totally rep for their record "Moving Targets" and most of the songs on "Coming Up For Air," too. I have that Live/Demos thing too, but don't spin it as much as the actual releases. I got to see them live once too, circa '79. Pauline Murray was absolutely feral, and Fred Purser was playing amazing almost-metal solos above the punk din. I loved 'em so much, I dressed as Pauline that year for Halloween (!)

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Too, too many "toos" in that last post, too...

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Bram Tchaikovsky was in The Motors before he went solo. I have that one Motors album with "Airport" and "Forget About You" on it - Approved By The Motors, I think- very pub rock sounding. The guy, Nick Garvey, had a unique singing style, like an angry man shouting, like a coach yelling at his players on the field or a construction worker telling somebody to get out of harm's way -fast! I always thought "Forget About You" sounded like a Grassroots song, like "Sooner Or Later."

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did Bram Tchaikovsky think he was going to make it solo anyway? He did give us that one good song, but it always seemed like kind of a Chevy Chase maneuver to me.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Jane Aire and Rachel Sweet were both from Akron and probably got some sort of UK profile from the Stiff Records Akron comp:

LP - Akron Album - Stiff GET3, UK, 1978
Chinese Circus - Tin Huey / Nova - Bizarros / Rubber City Rebels - Rubber City Rebels / Apu Api (Help Me) - Chi Pig / When I Was Young, I'm An Actress - Jane Aire & the Belvederes / Mephistopheles' Passion - Idiots Convention / Truckstop Queen, Tourist Boys - Rachel Sweet / Love Is Making Me Bleed - Sniper / Beer And A Cigarette - Terraplane / The Comb - Waitresses

Rachel Sweet was on one of the Stiff tours.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Bram's hit was a bigger hit (at least in the states) than the Motors ever had, at least. (What was their biggest? I feel like KCOU always played something called "Tenement Steps" or something like that, but I might be way off. Also, I've never said this out loud before even though I've been thinking it for a quarter century, but weren't the Motors sort of *proggy* for a pub-rock band? At least I remember their songs seeming that way on college radio back then. And I actually think the prog may have made them *more* intersting...)

xp

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(Also, I'd have to go back to check to make sure, but doesn't "Girl of My Dreams" start out sounding exactly like "Born to Run"?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

weren't the Motors sort of *proggy* for a pub-rock band?

No, certainly not on the first record. It was loud and direct, to the very hard-charging side of pub rock.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

They both have anthemic beginnings that sound a little bit alike, but "exactly the same" is a stretch.

There was something called "Tenement Steps" but I don't remember it at all.

You might be a little bit right about the *proggyness*, at least as far as the second album. But with that growling vocal style it was hard to notice.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Had no idea the Motors were so good. Second album has a big handful of songs that are eclectic but really focused, and all pretty much on top of their game in varied ways. Sometimes brilliantly so ("Airport," "Forget About You," "Soul Redeemer").

timellison, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

"Forget About You" had a similar theme riff to "Grandstand" UK TV Sport programme.

Mark G, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Sector Twenty-Seven??? That's Sector 27, and how can there be that with no Tom Robinson?

― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:22 (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

TR used to get very arsey if they got advertised as "with Tom Robinson" on gig billboards, and quit the record label over the fact his name was appended on the front of the album. (either that, or they got dropped for poor sales)

I do remember their song "Not Ready", it sounded a lot like TRB, so go figure.

Mark G, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link

This is all stuff that used to get a surprising amount of coverage in Smash Hits at the time. The thing I remember about The Motors (apart from the excellence of "Forget About You") is that they changed the cover of their LP because ppl weren't buying it cos it showed their ugly mugs.

http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/71/76/the-motors-approved-by-the-motors-1978-australian-vinyl-lp-l36568-7176293.jpeg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61usdj4fJOL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 February 2011 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Vaguely offtopic, but, when did Jona Lewie's "Stop the Cavalry" become unavoidable at Christmas in the UK? It came out in 1980 but I don't remember hearing it during the 90s; did it get put on a best-selling Christmas compilation sometime in the early 00s?

(Meanwhile, I do remember hearing "You'll Always Find Me in the Kitchen at Parties" in the 90s, and haven't heard that in probably 8 years. Was gonna speculate that the guy was only allowed one vaguely known song at once but I just youtubed it and apparently it's in an Ikea ad now.)

cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 3 February 2011 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link

BA Robertson, anybody?

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 February 2011 10:43 (thirteen years ago) link

"Wacky" entertainer type pop singer, used to write serious/good stuff too but got other 'more credible' people to sing them. Like, Cliff Richard (Carrie) for example.

Mark G, Thursday, 3 February 2011 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah I know who he was, I was wondering what other ppl thought of him. He once appeared on Saturday Superstore with a bucket on his head and people had to phone in and guess his identity. Come to think of it that may have been his career highpoint

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 February 2011 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Hmm I heard Stop The Cavalry loads at Xmas during the 90s. And the 80s for that matter. Definitely didn't notice it being more ubiquitous last decade anyway.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:05 (thirteen years ago) link

All that talk about UK Squeeze upthread is a bit odd. I mean this is just flat out bullshit:

"Not to be confused with U.K., this group produces anonymous, pedestrian hard rock of the same vintage as the other's. By the end of 1978, this band was so defeated it changed its name to the simpler Squeeze." - Dave Marsh, *The Rolling Stone Record Guide,* first (and best) (i.e, red) edition, 1979

They were only called UK Squeeze in the US because of some other band suing them!

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it was meant as a funneh

Mark G, Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah probably but xhuxk took it literally

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Meanwhile, I do remember hearing "You'll Always Find Me in the Kitchen at Parties" in the 90s, and haven't heard that in probably 8 years

this is being useed in an tv advert in uk at the moment ..

mark e, Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, he said that.

Mark G, Thursday, 3 February 2011 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I was just playing along with Marsh's joke up above? (Sure reads like I took him literally, but I'm pretty sure I've always understood that UK Squeeze was just their name outside of the UK -- The book is Australian, not American, fwiw.)

Anyway, lots of these bands wound up being discussed on Rolling Past Expiry Hard Rock threads the past couple years -- most recently, the Tourists, who George thinks were better than the Eurythmics but Scott disagreed. The Headboys LP is great. The Motors rock harder on their self-titled one than on Tenement Steps, which I still say sounded pretty darn ornate for a pub rock band. Just bought the Original Mirrors LP for $1 in December; it's good enough to keep (both songs with "Boys" in the titles were standouts to my ears), but I wouldn't recommend that anybody pay more than I did for it.

Still curious what people think about these, a couple of which I've never heard about elsewhere:

jaine aire (also Akon, which I may say above -- at least, I have a track of hers with the Belvederes on an Akron comp)
darling (I have an album by them, I think -- need to put it on)
judie tzuke
interview
angie
the veterans

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Judie Tzuke's just soft rock/ singer-songwritery pre-punk stuff? Not remotely new wave.

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Isn't there a female comedian with a similar name to hers?

xp Also picked up the third Sniff N The Tears LP for a buck a few weeks back -- sounds good, but their first two were better.

And have been discussing early stuff by Graham Parker, Dire Straits, and Robert Palmer quite a bit over the past year, on threads devoted to the individual artists.

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

The first couple of Judy Tzuke singles ('For You' and especially 'Stay with Me till Dawn') are both really nice imo. Like Tom said, not new wave at all, sounds more like I dunno, Christine McVie ?

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

That's high praise in these parts, stranger

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLfNkwLr1U

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Isn't there a female comedian with a similar name to hers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa3j1qIVito

Mark G, Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

That does not look enticing.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Thought it was Ken Dodd at first tbh.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Judging by some of the other artists included, I'm surprised Ken Dodd's not in the "England" chapter of the 1980 new wave guide Chuck bought for $2 off a seemingly homeless guy set up on the sidewalk of St Marks

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Echo & the Diddymen amirite?

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Too early for (Knotty) Ash though

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

"There are questions in corners of my mind that lurk
Like how do the road gritters get to work
Answer me that and you could win a cruise
And here’s Judie Tzuke to take us up to the news"

Half Man Half Biscuit - When The Evening Sun Goes Down

zappi, Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, turns out I don't own a Darling album after all. (I was probably confusing them with either Deaf School, Dalek I Love You, or both.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 February 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link


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