S or D/OPO: Trevor Horn

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I see "The Look Of Love" and "Video Killed The Radio Star" as his crowning moments.

Also to some extent "Relax", but the actual songs were better in the two aforementioned cases.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

What's Geir's opinion on this new English MELODIC band [Captain]?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

captain are cool. i think some of them used to be in the junket

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

this is too hard.

too. hard.

...gah! no can't be done. 'left to my own devices'
(introspective version) at a push i guess.

if you dig into his early to late 80's archive as thoroughly as i've done in the past few years you can still find gold. mint juleps'
'don't let your heart slip away from me' anticipates about 3 new musical scenes in 4 minutes.

the look on ilm regular Affectian's face when i played it to him *very* loudly bears witness to it's brilliance.

pisces, Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
OPO = Propaganda 'Dr. Mabuse'

Horn is credited with a lot of production work in the early 80s that was actually handled more by Stephen Lipson, from what I can tell e.g. Lipson is credited as having produced all tracks on 'A Secret Wish' except 'Dr. Mabuse'. And I have 'Snobbery & Decay' in my head now and assumed it was Horn but no, Lipson again, apparently.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to take a half-step to the side of Douglas's answer and vote the full half-hour version of Art of Noise's "That Was Close". It includes "Close-Up" and a bunch of the other iterations smashed together into one epic track. A+.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Video Killed the Radio Star"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Stay Loose"

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

not quite an opo but definitely searchworthy is shane macgowan's "haunted" with sinead o.c., which t.h. turns into a shimmering rock epic.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
The Produced by Trevor Horn set is awesome kthxbye. (Why the hell did Dollar not even have at least ONE hit over here? Not to mention Propaganda.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

This depresses me: in an article where Wendy and Lisa (finally) come out of the closet, we learn this about Horn.

http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=25083

You were dealing with this during the Reagan years when the AIDS crisis was exploding and the progressive attitude regarding gays started reversing. It must’ve been hard to contend with that while the music industry pushed you to be the next Mary Jane Girls.
Wendy and Lisa, nearly in unison: That’s exactly what they wanted.
Wendy: We couldn’t have been more opposite of that. We were just geeky musicians. We still are. We did a record 10, 11 years ago with Trevor Horn that was never released. We were hoping that we would have the next fucking Grace Jones “Slave to the Rhythm” extravaganza. We thought, “This is going to be genius! We’re going to be musician freaks and experiment.” And he, honest to god, wanted us to be the Spice Girls. My heart was broken.
Lisa: Not only that, but he was so homophobic. I hate to say it, but he wouldn’t even let us eat off of his silverware on Friday because he was Jewish. It turned into this nightmare. He and his wife, oh God, I don’t want to talk disparagingly about anybody, but it made us very uncomfortable.
Wendy: Our homosexuality became quite an issue for them.

That’s especially disturbing coming from the guy who produced Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Grace Jones and the Pet Shop Boys.
Wendy: And Marc Almond and ABC and t.A.T.u. You name it.
Lisa: He would come in and start talking, “Well, I asked my rabbi about homosexuality and my rabbi said it’s comparable to being born a mass murderer. You can be born a mass murderer, but if you practice mass murder it’s sinful.” I was like, “Okay, you can be born gay, but if you practice being gay, you might as well be a mass murderer?” Oh, thanks Trev. Let’s record this song now.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's really awful, but wow, what a fantastic article! I hope Prince fans here get to see that as well.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Friday, 24 April 2009 19:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

for a guy thats made a habit of working with openly gay artists, that quote doesnt make sense.

Michael B, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

he should work with Bobby O

dan selzer, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Slave to the Rabbi

velko, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

michael b otm. and maybe he just didn't like them. hard to imagine the pet shop boys couldn't sniff a homophobe asshole at a hundred yards

kamerad, Friday, 24 April 2009 21:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Why would they both make that up now 15 years later?

Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Or uh 25 years later more like.

Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

We did a record 10, 11 years ago with Trevor Horn that was never released.

(unless i'm misreading your posts)

i am david suzuki (get bent), Friday, 24 April 2009 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

Or uh 10, 11 years later, ahem.

Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 22:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I guess he'd better produce the next Eminem album instead then.

But ABC? Gay? Now that's new to me.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 24 April 2009 23:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh no Wendy & Lisa just outed them.

Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

buzza, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 07:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

why does it hurt when my heart misses the beat?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

I tend to think that Living in the Plastic Age remains a little underrated. Not in terms of how many people may have heard it or how often I see it referenced, but there's a certain grandiosity to that record.

timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lord, those glasses...

Do you mean "The Age Of Plastic"? Great, great album...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh right. Yes.

timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Both Buggles albums are great and underrated.

Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the age of plastic doesn't get near enough attention, credit or love. such a strange combination of restrained prog musicianship, lush 70s production and textbook technopop. also seems to have invented and in one album thoroughly explored the collision of electronic futurism and nostalgia for the world it threatens to replace. not a bad song on the album, though "i love you miss robot" seems at this remove to tower over the rest.

love this:

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

god, this is so incredibly depressing:

Lisa: He would come in and start talking, “Well, I asked my rabbi about homosexuality and my rabbi said it’s comparable to being born a mass murderer. You can be born a mass murderer, but if you practice mass murder it’s sinful.” I was like, “Okay, you can be born gay, but if you practice being gay, you might as well be a mass murderer?” Oh, thanks Trev. Let’s record this song now.

moral: never learn things about artists whose work you admire

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

This one's fun as well. I guess ol' Trev can be a prick but - hey - what else is new in showbiz?

PS Prince gave Wendy & Lisa shit for being gay as well.

Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

details

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

[digs around]

yeah, okay, plus w his prop 8 support ;_;

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

PS Prince gave Wendy & Lisa shit for being gay as well.

IIRC, sometime after Prince went full-Jehovah, he approached W & L about recording and doing a reunion concert or tour, but only on the grounds that they both convert to Jehovah and renounce homosexuality. W & L said thanks but no thanks. I believe the fence has since been mended.

(x-post)

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

v frustrated by this homophobic thing (missed it until now) as i can't find any results that aren't from that W&L interview.

never knew about the Derrick May thing either! tragic. it's not clear why that fell thru considering May could clearly have been persuaded to play the game to a reasonable extent. plus you'd think he would've asked Saunderson to remix Seal following May's refusal.

Dear Projectionist (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has there ever been any corroborating evidence that Horn is a homophobe beyond that W&L interview? Because while it's possible, I find it shocking that a producer who has worked with so many flamboyantly gay acts - Frankie Goes to Hollywood! Pet Shop Boys! Um, TATU! let alone the likes of Grace Jones - should be homophobic. I mean, he worked with the Pet Shop Boys again just a few years ago. Why would they hire a virulent homophobe?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't the gayness of TATU just marketing gimmick?

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

After watching the Pet Shop Boys documentary released a few years ago, I disavowed the Wendy-Lisa story. He's got a moment in which he's asked to address the reaction to Queen in America in the eighties. "Raging faggots," he said a radio promoter said, and from the way the scene is framed and Horn's resigned air it's clear he's offended.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

That he's a prick, no doubt. But no homophobe.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lisa: He would come in and start talking, “Well, I asked my rabbi about homosexuality and my rabbi said it’s comparable to being born a mass murderer. You can be born a mass murderer, but if you practice mass murder it’s sinful.” I was like, “Okay, you can be born gay, but if you practice being gay, you might as well be a mass murderer?” Oh, thanks Trev. Let’s record this song now.

Also: Coleman quotes what Horn said his pastor said.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

doesn't explain the weird silverware thing tho

Dear Projectionist (blueski), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

So Wendy and Lisa are anti-Semites. Who cares?

everything, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe he's become (or briefly became?) homophobic for religious reasons. honestly, though, i don't know anything about his beliefs. a lot of people do seem compelled to adopt dogmatic stances when they're getting deeper into godhead. yusuf islam and the rushdie fatwa, for ex...

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Maybe Horn doesn't let people use the same silverware the Grace Jones had used. I know I wouldn't.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

"I find it shocking that a producer who has worked with so many flamboyantly gay acts - Frankie Goes to Hollywood! Pet Shop Boys! Um, TATU! let alone the likes of Grace Jones - should be homophobic. I mean, he worked with the Pet Shop Boys again just a few years ago. Why would they hire a virulent homophobe?"

bobby orlando to thread

corpse pose (missingNO), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe this stupid comment is getting some traction here. You will notice that Lisa is paraphrasing something that Trevor said his RABBI said. Not Trevor. His rabbi. Okay? The "I" in the second part of Lisa's statement refers to herself, Lisa. Not Trevor. Someone please direct me to something where Trevor Horn says something homophobic because otherwise, this is a fucking non-starter. And yes, I do believe that the statement is more about anti-Semitism than racism. What rabbi would actually say that? Jeez.

everything, Thursday, 7 July 2011 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

whether or not TH was quoting his rabbi, he was (allegedly) speaking to gay friends who were offended by his words. this suggests either that W&L misconstrued something, or that horn was at the very least being insensitive. perhaps both, perhaps worse.

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lisa: Not only that, but he was so homophobic. I hate to say it, but he wouldn’t even let us eat off of his silverware on Friday because he was Jewish. It turned into this nightmare. He and his wife, oh God, I don’t want to talk disparagingly about anybody, but it made us very uncomfortable.

What is funny about this is that Trevor Horn is not Jewish. But anyway, his family is and I guess he's into it all so if his family has a religious thing about dishes etc as many Jews do, then that has fuck all to do with W&L being lesbians. So why exactly is he "so homophobic"?

everything, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it's that he presented what his rabbi supposedly said (about the equivalence of homosexuality with mass murder) in a way that offended his gay friends.

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

dubious about that btw, there was an Art Of Noise remix with an actual title on the 12"

the men who glare at stoats (sic), Monday, 31 October 2011 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

New interview in Tape Op is awesome. He talks about how he got the ABC album so tight, by programming all the drums himself, with instruction from the drummer, then having the drummer play over the programming as exactly as possible, then cutting out the programming and leaving the real drums. Sort of an elaborate click track.

Also, lots of the crazy drum parts on the Yes album was Alan White noodling around on a new keyboard, triggering weird drum patterns and patches that the rest of the band liked enough to keep in.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Psyched to read this. Tape Op is great.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 20 May 2012 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Haven't seen this linked here yet. Loads of great anecdotes. Good thing ol' Trev's a talker because these Red Bull folks are dry as mummies.
http://vimeo.com/32447278

Loo Reading (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 16 September 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink


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