― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link
A Song of Fire and Ice is one of the best fantasy series currently going. Martin is a skilled writer and an expert crafter of cliffhangers, red herrings, and other plot twists (probably comes from having written for TV so long). If he's no Gene Wolfe, he's also no Robert Jordan.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
What is this supposed to mean? I'm not familiar with either.
BTW, finished the first book last night.
― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
detailed chapter by chapter summaries available here:http://members.aol.com/vbkorik27/main.html
― mason storm (mason storm), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I was reading some on the train today. I'm nearing the end. I'm glad I didn't just blow through it in two days cuz otherwise I think I'd be really bored and disappointed with whatever else I'd be reading. I love the way Martin drops characters in and out of the story--case in point, two of Robert's bastards who haven't had terribly significant parts yet (especially Mya Stone.) Also awesome: Dornish subplotting.
Is Cersei delusional or was she really psychologically fucked over as a child (more than one would assume, what with her bonking her bro and all.)
― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 17 November 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link
SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW:::::::::::::::::::::
so we still have a lot of cliffhangers, some of which are continued over from the previous book. -Where is Tyrion? I bet he's on Dragonstone, perhaps with Davos Seaworth. Maybe they're both dead.-Where are the stark lads and jojen and whats'ername? Are they faring well?-So what's Catelyn's deal now? She's 'alive' in a sense but doesn't seem to have ANY compassion left whatsoever. To be honest, I wouldn't expect her to. But do we think she's going to become a major player in the game? That would surprise me.-Melisandre & Stannis? I wonder how they're dealing with Jon.
I think Arya is really blind, Laura said she'd taken it as a metaphor for something else. I think the concept of a blind Arya assassin is too much to resist.
Cersei's a terrible cunt, and I hope awful things happen to her in the following book. I don't care much about Margaery, really. If she's a casualty it won't be a significant one in my eyes. She was kinda bland.
What do you think is going to happen with Arianne/Myrcella/Dorne?
I like Jaime much more now. He just keeps getting more likable as the series progresses, which is a nice turnaround. His first appearances make him seem like such a bastard.
― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
I think in the end Jaime is actually going to be the one to kill Cersei. Maggy predicted she'd be killed by a valonquar (sp?) which means younger brother. She always suspected Tyrion, but given the current situation, I'm going with Jaime. He was born after her, after all, and she is the biggest liability ever. Also, she cheated on him something ridiculous while he was busy getting his hand hacked off. If Tommen doesn't survive (I think he's too guileless for longevity) maybe Jaime can marry Margaery.
I don't (want to) think Brienne is really dead.
If Arya really is blind, I think it will be compensated for by some other kind of power... interesting parallels with Bran, perhaps. I still think he could become a major player. I'd like to see her meet up with Jon again, but it's not going to happen until after Dragons at least since they run parallel in the same time frame.
Sansa is well-positioned to be a major player. Will the Stark girls ever reunite with their zombie mother? Only time will tell.
― Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link
i found that his character development was especially strong; the long build-up to us REALLY meeting jamie lannister was terrific, as was the way he cleverly manipulates reader sympathy in regards to pretty much all of the lannisters.
dude's a little obsessed with rape, though.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
and yeah, martin is a little obsessed with rape. and incest. and adultery.
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― slocki at antexit's house (antexit), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
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― adam (adam), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link
What is the accepted online resource for finding high-quality CCG criticism???
― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 13 April 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
reliance no, parody yes. the "it's a dwarf.... with an axe!!!¡!11lololol geddit" stuff in the first book is sub-pratchett at best :-\
― aphid bokmål (dude dude), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link
when's the next volume due out
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, it's slogging. About 60% of the way through now, and so much Ironmen padding grrr. Though people who've read everything out assure me that by the time the 6th book comes out he'll have set everything up for something huge. Anyway, LOLed heartily at Lancel's description of treason. Liking Cersei & the Dornish settings a lot.
I'm glad to see the storyline with the sparrows because it hopefully means there's going to be something big with the faith militant/the red woman's religion and it's not just a buildup to nothing.
Now to read the comments upthread...
― gyac, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
You'll appreciate aFfC more in retrospect.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
I finished this! Saggy midsection but flew through it in the last third of the book. Could have lived without description of Sam's "fat pink mast".
I understand why people moaned about it as it can be quite slow going and at times you wonder why the fuck there's so much Iron Islands stuff, for example, but looking back at it all, you can see things shifting into place.
Starting ADWD now. I really hope he can deliver on this big climax.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
the iron islands stuff were the only parts of affc i really hated.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link