Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

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what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

ok good!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

the infamous p3t@ epsiode

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

I like the fact that the show spends a good chunk of time actually considering some of the key problems/debates of our time. Ultimately I disagree with the conclusions and even the methodology, but what other show even tackles these issues? My fellow Berkeley/SF/Oakland residents are a bit of a Green Party hivemind, so it's nice to be confronted with a wildy divergent opinion that isn't based on an impulse toward theocracy, xenophobia, etc.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

tru dat. i do wish they weren't so disingenuous with their editing choices and arguments sometimes. but it's no worse than michael moore i suppose.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha ha good job not calling "BULL.. SHIT!" on the center for consumer freedom as you quote them & base your entire argument on their assertions

+--++--++, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's basically asshats calling out other asshats for being asshats when all the various asshat factions in question should just get together and have asshat sex and have asshat children. er...not have asshat children, i haven't quite done the asshat math completely.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

in any case, asshats!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Asshat sex sounds, if not exactly mainstream, at least a little cute. I mean...the hats are clearly yellow, are they not?

Tiny Hats, Indeed, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wow, that PETA episode . . . I mean, pointing out PETA's problems is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but Penn & Teller say the FISH are DEMONIC SEAMONSTERS, the barrel is YOUR POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD, and let's just blow all of it up for shits & giggles. They lost me in the first 30 seconds when they deliberately misdefined "ethical". Penn & Teller have lost a fan, PETA haven't gained one, nobody wins. Fucking libertarian nihilists.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, I think the Center for Cinsumer Freedom guy was jealous of PETA's over the top moves. "They juxtaposed holocaust victims with livestock farms. [Cut out by Penn: They totally stole that move from us.]"

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

More upsetting than anything in that ep. was seeing P&T all leathered out. Hello "Sex Over the Phone."

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

they also called bush-lite on environmentalism

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

this show suxxx (shockah)

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
lol just saw the episode about teachers. damn what a buncha whiners. wahh i get summers off. wahhhh.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this is some Stossel-level bullshit innit

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

From everything I've read about the show, yes.

Disappointing, really, since P&T television specials used to be awesome.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's more fun to watch if you imagine the people watching aren't the choir, and p/t aren't preaching to it

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

The gun control episode is a hoot. "Guns are good, because, uh, freedom is good. And guns = freedom!" I think they even tried a variation on 'overthrowing the multilateralist black helicopter government if need be' line. It was some real Roger Adultery shit.

(nb: and I'm not a supporter of gun control)

milo z, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

The "Wal-Mart is good" episode kinda pissed me off. I didn't watch any more after that.

Rock Hardy, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

the show is getting worse and worse.

kenan, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

Not nec., but plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

ya too many smart kids w/ no friends reading "the fountainhead" in 7th grade and thinking that it explains why they havent gotten laid

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

or maybe they havent gotten laid in 7th grade because theyre only 11.

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Right, and take those people and advance them 40 years, and then have them get put into some apparatchik position in a U.S. Admin.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

that or HELLO FARK.COM

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

isn't this just the magic man's version of john stossel segments?

mh, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

isn't this just the magic man's version of john stossel segments?

Yeah, the fourth season was all reactionary without any of the fun of the first two seasons.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i called it pretty early on.

get bent, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

kingfish, Saturday, 30 June 2007 17:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

I like the part of the episode where Penn earnestly sympathizes with those in serious emotional pain searching for some comfort. He's not trying to mock their struggles, he has problems too. But the shamelessness of these...ASSHOLES who profit from other people's misery that just gets his blood boiling.

Teller's usually not pulling a bandana through his nose during that speech.

da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 13:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I only got through disc 1 of season 1 before giving up but I gather that it didn't get better.

da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

I was thinking more like, full of people who think they're smarter than dumb people and love laughing at dumb people's CRAAAAAZY IDEAAAAS (like the healing crystals are bullshit episode-- no healing crystal fans are turning on the TV and thinking, "I want to watch P&T. What? These new age magnets are bullshit?! THANKS GUYS! clearly everyone watching the show was already pretty anti-healing crystals). Also, atheists.

Will M., Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

k, I've just seen four episodes of this show....and while I admit some of the episodes are funny, after seeing the environment and diversity episodes,....they make Michael Moore seem fair and balanced (not that I dislike M.M.).

the assessments above are OTM, wish I had read your warnings first.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 4 August 2008 02:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.

-- kingfish, Friday, June 29, 2007 6:40 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

this is ridic otm

so many old school magic bros have gone this route it's ;_;

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

ya scifi writers too.

s1ocki, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

The show on free range kids has redeemed this season somewhat

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 23:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Today, they are on ITV doing a Magician's X-Factor type thing.

Wonder if Teller will speak during this? (I know he does when the occasion suits, so ..)

Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 11:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Love this show.. 90% of the time.

OTM episodes: Alt meds, creationism, obesity, detoxing, new age meds, being green, stranger danger, good ol days, antivaxers

The other 10% is infuriating.

Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:19 (five years ago) Permalink

That's a good hit rate for that kind of show.

Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:46 (five years ago) Permalink

Also hilarious cursing. "What the fucking fuck, fuck you in the neck."

Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:56 (five years ago) Permalink

eh their smugness would be more tolerable if i knew they were using reliable data instead of sourcing it from whatever shady corporate funded fake laboratories

ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 14:06 (five years ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen their movie? "Penn & Teller Get Killed"

I read the synopsis, it sounds like the worst thing ever.

Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 16:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Catch them in Run DMC's "It's Tricky" video.

I no longer think this is a great series. Shit went off the rails.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:02 (five years ago) Permalink

I really enjoyed "Penn & Teller Get Killed" when I was like 13/14, but then again, I was like 13/14

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:06 (five years ago) Permalink

i remember being like "oh wow" about all the references to the Velvet Underground they threw in there...

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm pretty confused like everyone else as to what the point of the show is. I like Penn & Teller and think they're funny, but they only make half of the show funny, with the other half being some kind of patched-together debate between a well-spoken professor or scientist and some drugged-out halfwit they pull from the street, it's so intellectually dishonest that not even the hardcore skeptics can agree with the show's message. Which is too bad because I like these guys. But mostly the show just makes me mad, I wish they had like half the diligence of, say, Mythbusters.

frogbs, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:07 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean i think its biggest problem is that it shouldn't have gone six seasons. like it was pretty funny in the first two seasons watching them take down low hanging fruit like faith healers and psychics in the sense of "here's how these scams work."

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:11 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean but also, just saw the list of eps, and like control+F "scientology" not found

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:13 (five years ago) Permalink

but I don't see any particular health benefit in eating tons of watermelon?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

like it's a nutritious and hydrating fruit to consume but id imagine the absorption of the vitamins in it isn't infinite, and like there's only so much fiber and fruit sugar you really need in a day?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Watermelon has low calorie density (filling but not terribly calorific) and the red pigment is lycopene, the same skin protecting carotenoid that colors tomatoes.

Penn's diet follows Dr. Fuhrman's guidelines, basically caloric restriction with optimal nutrition style, but achieved via ranking foods into seek/reduce/avoid categories rather than the spreadsheets etc. used in CRON, and there are few healthier. Some of Fuhrman's rhetoric about "toxic hunger" is unfounded, and I didn't care for the recipes. Most data sees diminishing returns on fruit and vegetable intake after 8 or so servings a day, and I'm increasingly convinced the health benefit of whole plant based diets owes more to what they don't include (fats and excess protein), so I've opted for a more comfort food diet (ie, more potatoes, beans, & corn tortillas), but I'll sometimes have a Fuhrman-style dinner salad with over a pound of greens, veggies, 'shrooms etc.

no ends, only meanness (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 18:13 (one month ago) Permalink

It's not just pounds of watermelon. He eats two entrees and rice at the Indian place, and then at the airport he eats two containers of pineapple. He eats four big containers of blueberries, and the "big" containers I get in the stores around here are all 32 ounces. Maybe he means a smaller container, but he says "big." He eats an "insane" amount of watermelon, a "whole" container of cherry tomatoes, a "big, big" bowl of soup, and "a lot" of blueberries; that's just one evening meal. On the 8th, he seems to eat a reasonable amount of food, albeit three meals' worth in the evening, but he appends that entry with "I eat a lot of food," which makes me wonder how large the portions are. For one meal, the base is three pounds of spinach (is one container even a pound?) to which he adds brown rice and four vegetables, including four ears of corn. This is the evening after he eats a store bought wrap, so much peanut butter "it would make you sick," a whole watermelon, and the blueberries snack in the afternoon. At midnight he eats three melons, popcorn, and more peanut butter.

And whose fasting style is this? For what purpose? It sounds like a gimmick diet fast to me.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink


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