actually i didnt even read the list properly but im still happy to maintain that poptimists are the worst people
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 22 November 2013 09:39 (ten years ago) link
It's all pop music ya big dummy
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 22 November 2013 10:00 (ten years ago) link
Rate Your Music Top Albums of 2013
1 Gorguts - Colored Sands 2 Boards of Canada - Tomorrow's Harvest 3 Run the Jewels - Run the Jewels 4 Sigur Rós - Kveikur 5 Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds - Push the Sky Away 6 Tim Hecker - Virgins 7 My Bloody Valentine - m b v 8 Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing 9 Kurt Vile - Wakin on a Pretty Daze 10 Jon Hopkins - Immunity 11 Haken - The Mountain 12 Dennis Johnson - November (R. Andrew Lee) 13 Queens of the Stone Age - ...Like Clockwork 14 Vampire Weekend - Modern Vampires of the City 15 Inquisition - Obscure Verses for the Multiverse 16 Julia Holter - Loud City Song 17 The National - Trouble Will Find Me 18 Bill Callahan - Dream River 19 Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn 20 Anathema - Universal 21 Deafheaven - Sunbather 22 Danny Brown - Old 23 Gris - À l'âme enflammée, l'äme constellée... 24 Carcass - Surgical Steel 25 Blood Ceremony - The Eldritch Dark 26 The Drones - I See Seaweed 27 Peter Brötzmann - Long Story Short 28 Satan - Life Sentence 29 Earthless - From the Ages 30 Cult of Luna - Vertikal 31 Arcade Fire - Reflektor 32 DARKSIDE - Psychic 33 Prefab Sprout - Crimson/Red 34 Leprous - Coal 35 David Bowie - The Next Day 36 Riverside - Shrine of New Generation Slaves 37 Clutch - Earth Rocker 38 The Dillinger Escape Plan - One of Us Is the Killer 39 Fire! Orchestra - Exit! 40 The Ocean - Pelagial 41 Kanye West - Yeezus 42 The Kniφe - Shaking the Habitual 43 Ulver With Tromsø Chamber Orchestra - Messe I.X–VI.X 44 Neko Case - The Worse Things Get… 45 Chelsea Wolfe - Pain Is Beauty 46 Grateful Dead - Sunshine Daydream: Veneta Oregon 8/27/72 47 Kayo Dot - Hubardo 48 Roy Harper - Man and Myth 49 The Field - Cupid's Head 50 Orphaned Land - All Is One 51 Nails - Abandon All Life 52 Ulcerate - Vermis 53 Janelle Monáe - The Electric Lady 54 Soilwork - The Living Infinite 55 Laura Marling - Once I Was an Eagle 56 Alter Bridge - Fortress 57 Persefone - Spiritual Migration 58 Oranssi Pazuzu - Valonielu 59 Forest Swords - Engravings 60 Fuck Buttons - Slow Focus 61 Omnium Gatherum - Beyond 62 James Blake - Overgrown 63 Eluvium - Nightmare Ending 64 Stara Rzeka - Cień chmury nad ukrytym polem 65 Alameda 3 - Późne królestwo 66 Enforcer - Death by Fire 67 Wardruna - Runaljod – Yggdrasil 68 Vàli - Skogslandskap 69 Big Big Train - English Electric (Part Two) 70 Primal Scream - More Light 71 Goldfrapp - Tales of Us 72 Matana Roberts - Coin Coin Chapter Two: Mississippi Moonchile 73 James Holden - The Inheritors 74 The World Is a Beautiful Place… - Whenever, If Ever 75 In Vain - Ænigma 76 Blindead - Absence 77 Amorphis - Circle 78 Oneohtrix Point Never - R Plus Seven 79 Windhand - Soma 80 Mazzy Star - Seasons of Your Day 81 Scale the Summit - The Migration 82 Melt-Banana - Fetch 83 Thee Oh Sees - Floating Coffin 84 Ghostface Killah & Adrian Younge - Twelve Reasons to Die 85 Altar of Plagues - Teethed Glory and Injury 86 Fates Warning - Darkness in a Different Light 87 Fuzz - Fuzz 88 Enshine - Origin 89 Àrsaidh - Roots 90 Black Sabbath - 13 91 Shade Empire - Omega Arcane 92 Cass McCombs - Big Wheel and Others 93 Tribulation - The Formulas of Death 94 Progenie Terrestre Pura - U.M.A. 95 Immolation - Kingdom of Conspiracy 96 Touché Amoré - Is Survived By 97 Richard Thompson - Electric 98 Mark Kozelek & Jimmy LaValle - Perils From the Sea 99 Altars - Paramnesia100 Motörhead - Aftershock
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 22 November 2013 10:00 (ten years ago) link
i think that popmatters list is surely trying to shade poptimism but fails completely because who cares
the ariana grande choice is the giveaway really
― lex pretend, Friday, 22 November 2013 10:24 (ten years ago) link
Where's the love for Dream River in these? Kinda thought it might be a consensus choice for top 10s.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 22 November 2013 10:27 (ten years ago) link
Not a single mention for These New Puritans yet, which makes me sad. Likewise the low number of Holden mentions.
The Hopkins record is pleasant but I'm baffled that it's been picked-up as this crossover critical consensus.
London and Brighton indie shop staff not picking much hip hop or pop isn't really a surprise, is it? It's called demographics. Went in Sister Ray the other day and reminded myself why I don't like it. Rise in Bristol is my favourite indie shop by far.
I've not heard Dream River but I bet it's suffering from 3-in-a-row fatigue as far as Callahan's discography goes; he's just consistently good at what he does so another new album isn't going to make any waves.
The John Grant record is both really good and really awkward; something about his lyrics and phrasing occasionally puts me off but by and large I really like it.
Nice to see Matthew E White getting lots of props; it's a lovely record, really beautifully arranged and recorded.
Melt Yourself Down is awesome. Sons Of Kemet might be a little bit better, though.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:03 (ten years ago) link
Agree with everything Sick says here. I'm still waiting for my local to get me in a vinyl copy of the TNP album but they're taking ages. Is it out of print?
Hopkins album is unremarkable, 'nice', but a lot of the more piano-y bits were employed better on his collab with King Creosote and the rest, as mentioned before, does sound awfully reminiscent of mid-2000s minimal/micro house.
John Grant one has some awesome moments and I think the awkardness is part of it. That last song, Glacier, kills me whenever I hear it. Prob EOY songs for me that one.
Checked out Sons of Kemet on your recommendation and I think I like it. although part of me hears it as a sort of analogue of 'gypsy-punk' but for a hipster crowd.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:11 (ten years ago) link
My lack of enthusiasm for the Melt Yourself Down record is possibly due to having experienced the Ex with Brass Unbound absolutely burn the venue down with their fierce version of the post-punk grooves + jazz thing, which tbh most bands would pale in comparison to.
― Papa Roachford (NickB), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:34 (ten years ago) link
other thing about that popmatters list is that people were bitching about the lack of african-american artists on the rough trade list and well um
― Papa Roachford (NickB), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:38 (ten years ago) link
xpost Completely agree on Public Service Broadcasting. Went to see them the other night, and my companion said it was like a Mike Myers parody of hauntology.
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:46 (ten years ago) link
although part of me hears it as a sort of analogue of 'gypsy-punk' but for a hipster crowd.
When you type things like this I honestly fear for you sometimes, dude.
I enjoy the Public Service Broadcasting record but in an entirely non-committal way. It sounds nice and I enjoy the tunes, but I'd never make any claims for it.
wtf is 'hauntology'?
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 November 2013 11:51 (ten years ago) link
It's the terrible corniness of the samples that really sinks Public Service Broadcasting for me. Gosh it's a Spitfire! This is the night mail crossing the border! I can't believe it's not butter! Keep calm and sound a bit like Delphic!
― Papa Roachford (NickB), Friday, 22 November 2013 12:01 (ten years ago) link
Oh god they don't sound like Delphic, don't be mean!
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 November 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link
The Drift Record Shop's top 100 list. (They're in Totnes.)
http://thedriftrecordshop.net/collections/record-of-the-year
Jon Hopkins @#1! Some decent choices further down the list.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 November 2013 12:48 (ten years ago) link
Good metal rankings on the RYM list, save for the absence of In Solitude. The usual Steven Wilson fetishism is, as always, present and accounted for. (And I'm willing to bet that Anathema live record does not deserve to be at #20.)
― Simon H., Friday, 22 November 2013 13:06 (ten years ago) link
That Matthew E. White is good, but it came out August 2012. I wanted to love the These New Puritans but I just can't.
Uncut and MOJO lists snaked out Nov 23 last year so more tasteful lists for the elderly soon! Then Mojo Jr/Paste, The Fly, NME, Q, PopMatters metal (they do that better than pop), Magnet, FACT, Gorilla vs. Bear, SPIN, Filter, The Wire, Classic Rock, Clash, Drowned In Sound, Rolling Stone, Pop Matters 75, Stereogum, That's How Kids Die, AV Club, Crack, Quietus, The Guardian, Juno, Resident Advisor, Kerrang!, Terrorizer, Consequence Of Sound, Pitchfork, Tiny Mix Tapes, The Liminal, Rock-A-Rolla, XLR8R, Louder Than War.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 22 November 2013 14:00 (ten years ago) link
...ILX
― Papa Roachford (NickB), Friday, 22 November 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Rate Your Music Top Albums of 2013seems a bit premature to pull this in november when its in constant flux. also these RYM lists are always kind of weird looking because like half the userbase are metal/prog-heads and half are indie dudes
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 November 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link
?
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Friday, 22 November 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
Meaning the two references within - gypsy punk and hipster - don't sound, to me, to be anything at all to do with the music Sons of Kemet make and I've not seen them used in any other discourse about it at all. It's jazz with a Caribbean melodic flavour and interesting textures courtesy of two drummers and a tuba. There are vaguely rock / dance rhythms going on at times but that's it.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 November 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah, cool i get that i was prob being pretty reductive there and they're not the same thing. i think what i meant was i could see this kind of music being not far from the kind of stuff you'd see at a festival like boomtown fair, but it's removed enough from the hippier trappings of that scene to make it amenable to "ILX-world" discourse. It's not too different from, say, Youngblood Brass Band or what have you (yes,yes YBB aren't gypsy punk but they , but its references and touchstones are a lot trendier. don't get me wrong, i rather like SOK and i don't really even have a prob with Boomtown-y music so i shouldn't be picking holes.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Friday, 22 November 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
The usual Steven Wilson fetishism is, as always, present and accounted for.
Except this Steven Wilson album really is that great, it's fantastic.
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 November 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
that Rate Your Music list is horrible as always, Haim, who will probaly win the ILM poll, can't even make the Top 100.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 November 2013 05:11 (ten years ago) link
so i had to click on that link to see where Haim does place in 2013, was about to give up but finally found it at 659 place.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 November 2013 05:26 (ten years ago) link
Haim are shite though
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
Except they aren't.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
Rate Your Music is useful as a research and resource tool, but as a community it's the fucking worst.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
Dont know about it's users or community or why its the fucking worst and its only really a useful guide but I expect its users go there as it seems to cover music ignored by critics elsewhere (ie metal and prog)
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link
<i>music ignored by critics elsewhere (ie metal and prog)</i>
And all remains right with the world.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link
Except my ability to remember to convert to BBcode.
excellent discussion
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:46 (ten years ago) link
surprised people maintained any goodwill toward that soggy nick cave record
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 November 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
The Matthew E White album got a January or February release over here, which is why it's making a lot of lists. Good album, gorgeous arrangements, shame about his lack of vocal presence.
The John Grant record stands or falls on how successful is he in fitting the rhythm of his lyrics around the electronic arrangements. The difference between the astonishing first song and the ponderous second lays this bare really. It would be merely a very good album were it not for the incredible two songs that bookend it, although there's good stuff throughout. You ha r to have a high tolerance for monomanaical breakup albums but it's sad for some significant other reasons as well.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 23 November 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
New board description: "Haim are shite though. Except they aren't."
― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Saturday, 23 November 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
I find Matthew E White underwhelming as a singer too, even though the album's arranged and produced to perfection and presses all my 70s country-soul buttons. It slid from my Top 10 as the year wore on.
Nick Cave has delivered two of my favourite shows of the year but I still can't love that album. Three amazing songs - Jubilee Street, Higgs Boson Blues and the title track - along with too much midtempo solemnity and a couple of duds that would barely have been B-sides in the Dig Lazarus Dig phase.
― Deafening silence (DL), Saturday, 23 November 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link
If Haim win the ILM poll then every ilxor who votes for it needs to take a long hard look at themselves followed by this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
i don't particularly love the Haim record but people who seem really offended by it are weird, what's the big deal
― some dude, Saturday, 23 November 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
I was thinking of putting something else at #1 just because while I think the HAIM album is good, I don't think it's quite album of the year material; but if people keep bitching about HAIM I might give them the #1 spot merely out of spite.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Sounding better to me this morning than it has lately, actually.
I hope there's a sketch about all this HAIM handwringing on SNL tonight.
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
haha one person comments and its ilm handwringing?
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
I meant in general, outside ILM but hey, I do find that the more specific and esoteric an SNL sketch is, the funnier it is.
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
I got the impression they were universally loved outside in the real world.
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
That Matthew E White album is nice but I'm surprised to see it ranking so high.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah there was a lot of corny indie fuxxor angst over it a couple of months ago but not much on ilx. until now. it's a pretty great album but i'll admit it strikes me as an odd choice for any individual's #1. totally makes sense as a consensus pick though.
― balls, Saturday, 23 November 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
re: hy-um
I thought it was corny indie fuxxors who liked it?
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
Plenty of people seem to love them but I just dont get it.
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
rate your music is like rockism central
― dyl, Saturday, 23 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
arent most of these sites?
― ۩, Saturday, 23 November 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link