2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

gabbneb what do u think about what i just posted in this thread

yes, deej

yes is not an answer to what

i have no problems with that analysis, deej, but would note that it is not novel

it is novel to this thread, and therefore is undiscussed

it was the length of a novel, so I didn't read it

wtf @ gabbneb arbitrator of thread quality posts??

i think you mean arbiter, mordy

digby's proposition, deej, is kind of the (or at least an) understory of everything that happened today

and it wasn't all that under at times

i think arbiter + arbitrator are interchangeable enough. my point still stands.

'point'

an arbitrator is one who has been granted power to resolve a dispute; an arbiter is one who judges authoritatively but not necessarily with consent

:/ isn't an adequate rolling-eyes-smiley, but until one of those exists, it'll have to do.

have a nice day :)

wow gabb stunning insight

at least he answered your question. if you want to ask him more, perhaps you should take your pissy ungrateful interview style to IRC, or a new thread

if he has nothing further to add thats all he had to say instead of being condescending about it but whatever

i should be grateful he even deigned to type 'i concur'

McCain letters-to-the-editor sweatshop

deej, we're talking about gabbneb here!

bye bye, rick davis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2008/sep/24/johnmccain.congress

oh snap

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/report-mccain-aides-firm-paid-by-freddie-mac-until-last-month/

so the campaign response seems to be "no he isn't!"

This should warm gabbs' heart:

More voters trust Obama to deal with the economy, and he currently has a big edge as the candidate who is more in tune with the economic problems Americans now face. He also has a double-digit advantage on handling the current problems on Wall Street, and as a result, there has been a rise in his overall support. The poll found that, among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent.
ad_icon

As a point of comparison, neither of the last two Democratic nominees -- John F. Kerry in 2004 or Al Gore in 2000 -- recorded support above 50 percent in a pre-election poll by the Post and ABC News.

Last week's near-meltdown in the financial markets and the subsequent debate in Washington over a proposed government bailout of troubled financial institutions have made the economy even more important in the minds of voters. Fully 50 percent called the economy and jobs the single most important issue that will determine their vote, up from 37 percent two weeks ago. In contrast, just 9 percent cited the Iraq war as their most important issue, its lowest of the campaign.

they are just obstinately lying at this point. the campaign is a lost cause and now they're just trying to save face. which they are losing by perpetuating their bullshit

Al, I posted the same thing upthread

sorry, Tracer, if 'deej' has a personal claim on my time, i don't ask 'how long'

glad this thread is getting back to what made it so good in the first place

condescending douchebaggery

^^^ the cornerstone of politics

yes!

HIGH FIVES

attention whore trolls 1, gabbneb 0

for those interested in the substance of deej's block quote, here's the later post from the internally-cited blog he missed - http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2008/09/bailout_backlash.php - and this AM brings word from Reid that he has counted McCain as a yes vote

Pew says you gotta poll cellphones

Survey USA has McCain in KS by only 12! Yes we can?

suggest bans: attention whore trolls 0, gabbneb 1

Chris Rock on Letterman, booked to immediately follow Clinton, offering up his response

we're not gonna win KS

I know, but if things are moving our way here, that's a good sign for other local places (we're pretty similar to the parts of CO that are rough for Obama).

yeah, CO polls are solidifying for Obama. he's basically won (the election) already if the polls stay the same.

MO is possible but will require huge STL turnout

i thought i had posted it already, but SUSA had Obama only 2 pts back in Marilyn Musgrave's district

i predict obama outperforms polls by 1.5%

I doubt MO will go blue; southern MO is like Appalachia. But northern MO is like IL and IA, and KC and STL could turn out big. I'm glad 271 doesn't turn on it.

yeah, Musgrave's district is really similar to KS demographically, at least KS east of Lawrence. But in CO the ground game is intense.

er west of Lawrence

in Ohio, SUSA has Obama winning the 1st CD (Cincy burbs, leans GOP, 28% black, repped by Steve Chabot (R), won by Bush) 52-43, and back 2 in Ralph Regula(R)'s Canton-area/amish country Reagan-Dem/Bush-won 16th district, but down 20 points in Southern, Jean Schmidt(R)-repped Ohio-2

<a href="http://www.alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/1-talk-of-the-tundra/147-alaska-ags-ill-fated-experiment-with-public-service-in-wake-of-troopergate.html";>Is McCain colluding with criminal behavior in Alaska?</a>

The more I look at this, the more I begin to see that what I have long despised about Nixon and Cheney and now Palin, the kind of thing which is eating away like a cancer on McCain's campaign, is their cowardice. Instead of braving the issues and the public and the press, they vie for control, secrecy, spin. This, THIS is patriotism? Degrading the standards of this Republic while noisily and distractingly waving a flag? That's just demagoguery and demagoguery in the service of some of the least savory interests in the land. It's sad to see McCain tangled up in it. Vanity and over-weening ambition laying low someone who once might have had something of real value to offer.

I doubt MO will go blue; southern MO is like Appalachia. But northern MO is like IL and IA, and KC and STL could turn out big. I'm glad 271 doesn't turn on it.

yeah, so do I, and I expect him to lose much or all of Northern MO ('Little Dixie', certainly), but it's not impossible that STL and KC turnout put him over the top anyway. I still think it might have been a good idea to spend part of a summer weekend at Lake of the Ozarks, though the campaign seems pretty shy about putting him into any rural Southern whitey areas, and maybe with reason, plus it might not scored high on his authenticity-meter.

i wouldn't wish Lake of the Ozarks on anyone--even McCain or Palin