thank you
I am shocked to learn Princeton had a libidinous prez btw
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
to be honest I can understand the attraction. Must be the lantern jaw.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 November 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link
excellent piece (as usual), alfred: i'm impressed that you could stomach wilson's company for two biographies!
as long as we're doing book recommendations, i'd love to see your picks for the best books on 20th century u.s. history.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link
You want'em here or in that other thread?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 November 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link
and thanks!
what other thread?
― caek, Monday, 4 November 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link
J.D. recently started a thread about our formative books or something.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 November 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link
here is fine, i can't seem to find that other thread right now.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link
A few. I cheated a bit.
Gore Vidal - Narratives of EmpireEdmund Wilson - Patriotic GoreTaylor Branch - The King YearsLarzer Ziff - The American 1890's: Life and Times of a Lost GenerationRobert A. Caro - LBJ stuffAmy Kaplan - The Anarchy of Empire in the Making of U.S. CultureWalter Karp - The Politics of WarWilliam Appleman Williams - The Tragedy of American DiplomacyHenry Adams - The Education of...Edmund Morris - Theodore RexJohn Carlos Rowe - Literary Culture and U.S. ImperialismJonathan Schell - The Time of IllusionHenry James - The American SceneGarry Wills - Nixon AgonistesJoan Didion - Political FictionsGary May - Bending Towards Justice
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
thanks! nice list, a few that would be on my own and a few i've been meaning to get around to (taylor branch's king books, adams's 'education').
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/princeton-students-take-over-presidents-office-demand-erasure-of-woodrow-wilson/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
waiting for the right to chortle over the supposed deliciousness of left wingers taking on Woody's reputation.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
i once found myself quite by accident in staunton, virginia, wilson's birthplace. i went to the W.W. museum and it was kind of a whitewash (pun not really intended). the guy held some views and did some things that seem rather progressive, and other views/things that seem unconscionably retrograde. i'm not sure it's right to say--as some have--that his racism was unexceptional for the time. i actually think that even among his own milieu he was a bit outspoken in his racist attitudes.
i'm not sure what taking his name off of anything will accomplish, but it's not like people are in any danger of forgetting woodrow wilson, so i don't mind it. for the same reason i didn't mind that the DGA took D.W. Griffith's name off of their yearly prize, which some people reacted to like it was the end of the world.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
i don't think any ideological faction would really be comfortable claiming the entirety of wilson's legacy, which is complex and very mixed.
He resegregated the federal government, which is worse than what Grover Cleveland ever did re civil rights.
I think one of those demands is absurd. "The left" has known about Wilson's contempt for civil liberties and civil rights for years.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
yeah, that's what i mean. not only was his racism fairly virulent even among his class, but he had a position from which he could do a lot of damage. and he did.
that said, it does seem to me that there are probably lots of more important and substantive things to protest than the name of a building or college... not just matters of racial justice (mass incarceration, police abuse, unequal employment and housing opportunities) but also some global matters that we as americans are complicit in (like drone strikes, environmental collapse). i guess you could say that all these things go together, somehow, and to protest one thing does not mean you can't protest another. but it does seem to me that a lot of righteous anger is being focused on what in the grand scheme of things seem like trivial matters. obviously a lot of folks don't agree w/ me on that.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
fucking hate woodrow wilson. if nixon wasn't literally guilty of treason, i'd rank him worse than nixon. on the other hand, the idea of "making the world safe for democracy" is probably more geopolitically astute than any us president since 1979. :(
― rushomancy, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
Chas Pierce on the 100th anniv of the current American Empire
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53792/american-empire-bob-lafollette-wilson/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 March 2017 13:37 (seven years ago) link