DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

The thing is Mitchell might not have actually called the plods plebs and effed and blinded and what have you, but everybody believed that he did (ncl. Cameron et al) because it's exactly the sort of thing he might have done

It all seems to revolve around the technicality that he didn't use the precise word "pleb". There's no doubt in my mind that he considers himself a higher class citizen than the policeman he yelled at - because the policeman was doing his job, while Mitchell considered himself exempt from the rules, due to being such a Super Fucking Important Dude.

... with a famously short fuse

everybody believed that he did (ncl. Cameron et al) because it's exactly the sort of thing he might have done

― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 13:36 (16 minutes ago)

this is just a confirmation bias because 'everybody' ie you and whoever else like you would happily believe he does any nefarious thing you can imagine

Alleged use of the word 'pleb' is exactly what made the story such a big deal though, right? (and so toxic for the Conservatives).

this is just a confirmation bias because 'everybody' ie you and whoever else like you would happily believe he does any nefarious thing you can imagine

And you didn't believe it, of course

I think someone points out upthread that he probably would have been better off calling the police 'cunts'.

the reason most sentient people suspected it was true is because of the two unfeasible scenarios of a minister going postal or a police-orcestrated conspiracy that would leave them open to prosecution, the former is less unfeasible

/orchestrated/

or castrated

The transcript of the meeting between Mitchell and the police chiefs is a masterclass of political weedling.

AM: I never called them plebs.
PC: So did the officers lie in their notes?
AM: I'm not saying that.
PC: Well either you're lying now . . .
AM: I'm not!
PC: Or the officers lied.
AM: I'm not saying that. Can we just draw a line under it?

(repeat for 20 pages)

Police filling their notes with the-kind-of-thing-that-kind-of-person-would-do is a perennial, so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. And I suppose that's why both Mitchell and the CSs wanted to "draw a line under it", since the reality looks bad for everyone.

Which makes it an odd move tactically for the PM to push it?

Work 'may be no way out of poverty'

... I'm showing my age here (and possibly my background) but is this anything new?

British Gas raises prices by 9.2%

of course it's new Tom, up until this month everybody could start a paper round at 14 and after 10 years' hard graft they'd be the Duke of Devonshire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24616801

Argh this is so fucking stupid. a) "Health tourism" is a stupid made-up problem and b) deterring foreigners from using the NHS is de facto a health risk to UK citizens, especially in the event of any future epidemic, when it would be a false economy.

c) Could Jeremy Hunt's face be more punchable?

Yes, it could be Michael Gove's

has the government had a look down the back of the sofa yet, there could be a few quid there for tax cuts

nah they'll just blow it on lottery scratch cards

GO HOME vans resulted in one immigrant leaving the country. May to announce they'll be scrapped.

how on earth did they find that out - was there a questionnaire?

"What was it that finally made you decide it wasn't worth the hassle? please tick all that apply"

turns out it wasn't that racist then

espirit d'escalier: should have said "was there an exit interview"

Somalia just suddenly seemed more appealing.

GO HOME vans resulted in one immigrant leaving the country

He'll be back shortly to use the NHS for free though

'If a fit for work decision is overturned at appeal, it does not necessarily mean that the original decision was inaccurate - often, claimants produce new evidence in their appeal which wasn't available when the original decision was made.'

Aye, right

87% of appeals in Islington were won, jesus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24621391

dear Mr Major, i know the energy companies are very naughty people who need telling off, but just maybe the fact that many many people will have to choose between heating and eating this winter has more complex causes, most of which you agree with

I would imagine his main concern is protecting the public purse from increased winter fuel payments rather than uncharacteristic altruism.

interested in this piece on the arms industry's adverts at westminster tube station and what they mean: http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/adam-ramsay/arms-industry-is-advertising-its-vulnerability

Benefit cap 'not encouraging work or saving money'

Oooh what a surprise.

'We do not recognise this report as providing a sound or reliable picture of the reform' (Department for Work and Pensions)

DWP + IDS being renowned for their soundness and reliability of course

C#m's linked piece is kind of flawed. BAE System's problem is making sure Joe Public still thinks of them as a British company - probably less than 10% of their business is in the UK - but people still think of their name as being British Aerospace, which it hasn't been for 15 years. The initial pushback against the Queen Elizabeth class being co-awarded to Thales, for example, was palpable. Again, there is a perception (largely untrue) that Thales are a French company and how dare defence money be given to 'the frogs' - usually with a rejoinder about how the French pretty much exclude other nations from their own Government programmes. So by playing up Britishness they hope to get a favourable nod from, as Robin Day famously put it, here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians.

The alleged conversation on the golf course between Mike Turner and Geoff Hoon to thread, obviously.

is C#m c sharp major's younger brother?

If so, it's a key change...

probably less than 10% of their business is in the UK

What proportion of their manufacturing jobs are in the UK?

Probably less, at a guess. As noted in the comments after that article there are only about 200,000 defence-related jobs in the UK at the moment - a quick bit of googling suggests BAE Systems total have about 100,000 employees and around half of them belong to BAE Systems Inc (the biggest American subsidiary) alone. BAE SYstems Australia has 5000, BAE Systems Sweden 2000. So less than half total jobs in the UK and I'd guess around a third of those at most are in manufacturing.

this is fascinating, Aldo, thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_IAI5THd-E

so is russell our leader now then?

"our"

russell brand is a spokesperson, not a leader. paxman loathsome

somone said on twitter that own jones and russell should team up to form a new left-wing cosncious young folk, both said they were up for it. i like both guys but they're both a bit, i dunno, childy. esp like what OJ says but RB can come out with some real hokey tosh (don't vote! i'm calling for a revolution!). only thing not voting will do is usher in a brave new 5 yrs more of brutalising the weak

that "meet the ancestors" body slam on paxman is incredible.

this. seems to be sucking up to him a little then drops the piano on his head

NI you seem very confident that Labour will reconfigure society

Until they cut out the anti-immigration xenophobia there’s no way Labour will be getting my vote next or any time.

Owen Jones is an attack dog really and critisicing him is a bit "fight the real enemy". What he's trying to do is influence the Labour Party but he doesn't seem to have a clue how to get to where he wants to get to from where he is.

Russell Brand is naive as hell but his understanding of the problem is pretty on point.

I mean the question for anyone on the left is always how they intend to get from where we are to the society you want to create, taking into account ferocious vested interests and the danger of destablising everything in the meantime. Until we have a politician with the vision to answer that then the current woeful Labour Party is all we're going to get.

Going the other way, Thatcher crashed the economy in the early 80s and may well have been voted out had it not been for North Sea Oil + Falklands so it's not like completely reconfiguring a society is easy even for rightists.

that "meet the ancestors" body slam on paxman is incredible.

― caek, Thursday, 24 October 2013 03:44 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this. seems to be sucking up to him a little then drops the piano on his head

NI you seem very confident that Labour will reconfigure society

― HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Thursday, 24 October 2013 08:32 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"How can you be so flippant......?"

Well, watch what you ask for: Ouch!

I don't really expect Russell Brand to have a solution to the fundamental political problems of our era but something something revolution isn't it. Still it's nice that he's out there even if he does sometimes sound like someone in the chillout room of Brixton Megadog in 1993.

*chortles*