What do you think of MTV Teen Mom Farrah Abraham's first single?

still can't quite wrap my head around how bizarre her antic have been, even for your typical reality celeb, and it's only amplified by her cult status as this weird "outsider artist".

On that note, I showed a friend some of her work and she said it just sounded like house beats with weird over-autotuned vocals on top of them. I'm not too great at analyzing music, but is that description really that accurate? It's never sounded like anything with which I could make real comparisons.

definitely not

it sounds like the music teenagers make when they're just starting out with sequencers

looks like this guy produced for the album?

like the combination of piano and strings about 30 seconds into this track he's talking about sounds uncannily similar to that in e.g. "searching for closure" so i am ready to believe it

NEW FARRAH ABRAHAM SONG!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53AzPEdku0

my Farrah connect told me she was working on new music a while back, i'd been looking forward to this XD

And they said autotune makes everyone sound the same, pft

the production feels slightly more standard but that just makes the autotune excesses seem even more out-there.

The guy mentioned upthread with the Facebook profile is an audio engineer at a studio down the road from the Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale, where FLA went to school for a bit. Wikipedia now says he produced the whole album, but no cite. Is it time for the important two-year anniversary retrospective?

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

bored tonight and catching up on ilm threads, this is incredibly sad:

But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.

as the father of a 4-year-old girl, i'd bet Sophia is not all that happy to have a "healthy" break from her mom to focus on "her own life and ... her own thing"

for sure, 4-year-olds are starting to develop their own lives and their own things, but in general, a 4-year-old girl's life IS her mom/parents. Farrah talks about her like she's 17.

heartbreaking.

4-yr-olds are basically starting school all day?

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a disaster for outsider artistry

It's high time she teamed up with Chaka Khan for an inflammatorily titled duo project

this is a tune, anyway, more conventional than one would think but i'm singing the chorus before it's halfway over

omg her dancing in the avatar of her own twitter account

but isn't reality tv just outsider acting

If it's on TV it is not outsider, it is monoculture.

It's kind of like when you had critics saying the blurry action scenes in Transformers 3 was a brilliant work of abstract art.

okay but her music is not on tv so

'outsider' means unschooled if not mentally ill

like, gw bush is an outsider painter

and he was president!!

point is it's a pretty dumm and fraught term

"outsider" is also often used with a shade of "fails to achieve what it sets out to achieve but accidentally achieves something else great"

it's kind of a condescending term in that way, but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension.

adam bruneau = the board's Allan Bloom

"but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension."

what if you find value in the sounds she makes and the emotions she conveys

condescension is underrated

Yeah i thought 'outsider art' meant 'Someone who is living outside of society'. Shut-ins, hermits, etc.

Applying it to W or Farrah seems to invoke a different meaning, more to do with kitsch or ironic appropriation (and including condescension).

Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me

Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?

You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam

Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?

'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse

Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.

But Ed Wood didn't have his own syndicated show and flock of gossip magazines eating up everything he said did he?

But yeah y'all have some good points to make and yeah my idea of 'outsider artist' does seem to clash w the regularly accepted parameters. Just seems like someone doing something really pedestrian and mainstream but utterly failing, rather than bringing anything unique to the table other than a complete lack of talent. But it doesn't really matter that much to me so I'll shut up about it.

I doubt it's THAT easy -- I imagine most jobbing producers would prefer not to work with reality stars, hence most reality stars getting fairly fifth-string producers

(I kind of like to think of "outsider artist" in terms of "will this shit still exist in 30 years or is it doomed to be ephemeral" but that's also a re-interpretation)

there's plenty of ultra-mainstream crap that is forgotten immediately tho

I like imagining that "the dude who runs the audio recording facility closest to Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale" is the Michael Bay of pop music! Would like to know if this guy actually produced the whole album, though.

there's definitely something in the term about slippage between intent and effect. i think what we mean an artist who has some aesthetic power but it's not what was intended. or the intent is really opaque.

one of my favorite local art exhibits of the past few years was a bunch of work done as part of art therapy for people with really profound mental illness or disability. there's almost no way to talk about it w/o terms that slide into condescension, i guess. but just on a formal level these artists happened upon (see? "happened upon") ways of working or repeating things that were really affecting. and maybe they wouldn't have been so powerful had i not known the story; there's no way of knowing.

W/ Farrah Abraham "outsider" is an easy way to avoid using the phrase "experimental artist," which she (also?) is. It might hedge against agency/intentionality (probably not wrongly, but who knows?). It's a bit of a game of not quite this ("experimental musician") but definitely not that ("pop star"). I really don't understand how anyone could listen to "MTDE" and think, "oh man, listen to all these failed pop songs!"

I figure that "My Teenage Dream Ended" sounds very much like what she was intending it to sound like. I think she was messing around and through ambiguous means ended up with something great, and that any accidental greatness isn't any more or less accidental than anyone else's greatness.

CelebURty -CelebURty --CelebURty

is there some deep meaning behind her spelling it this way in the video description's lyrics? anyway i am really enjoying this

i figured it was just "U R a celebrity"?

I am singing this new song constantly.

xp oh of course! farrah is always operating a level ahead of me when it comes to wordplay and such (only just realized that fla, in addition to obv being her initials, refers to "the sunshine state" itself)

i've also been playing this song more than i thought i would initially

rubbing shoulders with fatman scoop in the latest series of celebrity big brother
praying for a collab

I particularly loved when it was her shot to fire the canon and she jumped up singing "I like balls, I like balls"

Off-topic but I am fully on-board with a Celebrity Big Brother starring Farrah, Scoop, Tile Tequila, Janice Dicking on and Jenny Jameson

*Dickinson, what an unfortunate autocorrect