FRONTLINE: the pbs documentary series not the flea medicine

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I watched this. Very powerful stuff. At one point toward the end, it was noted that, of the 46 brains of ex-NFL players that have so far been examined after death, 45 of them showed signs of CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy), a degenerative disease caused by repeated blows to the head. 45 of 46. That's just grim.

Aimless, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 20:04 (ten years ago) link

there are a couple choice voice over moments

"and goodell offered doctor mckee something she needed even more than money.........brains"

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 21:54 (ten years ago) link

that's awesome. also reminds me -- their audiocasts are way behind iirc
still haven't finished watching this one...sometimes i like to drag them out so i get to enjoy them on more than one occasion instead of sitting down and watching the whole thing at once.

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link

the nigerian ME was such a character... he somehow brought some levity to the doc

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link

frontline really knows how to frontload a doc about concussions!

― Untt (La Lechera), Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol <3

JEFF 22 (Matt P), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

Not growing up steeped in the NFL helped the Nigerian medical examiner see Webster's situation in a different light, that's for sure. It was totally true that all of this coming to light pivots on that point. I love when that happens. Like if this ooooone little thing hadn't happened, none of this other stuff would have ever happened and we wouldn't know about xyz horrible thing that happened.

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link

xxp yes he should have his own show

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link

the nigerian doctor and the two heads of the BU brain bank should be in the NFL hall of fame imo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:18 (ten years ago) link

man, their website ruuuuuules for teachers

Untt (La Lechera), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link

Lord yes. When I taught that ridic law enforcement class I would have been lost without that website.

carl agatha, Thursday, 10 October 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link

Haven't had time to watch this yet. Do they mention dementia pugilistica?

first described in 1928 by a forensic pathologist, Dr. Harrison Stanford Martland, who was the chief medical examiner of Essex County in Newark, New Jersey in a Journal of the American Medical Association article, in which he noted the tremors, slowed movement, confusion, and speech problems typical of the condition.[14] In 1973, a group led by J. A. Corsellis[15] described the typical neuropathological findings of DP after post-mortem examinations of the brains of 15 former boxers.[15]

Plasmon, Thursday, 10 October 2013 03:21 (ten years ago) link

it's always amazed me how the NFL treats concussions as somehow different from being KO'd in a boxing match.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 10 October 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link

They did mention Dementia Pugilistica, most hilariously in the clip where the NFL's head doctor (I forget if it was the Rheumatologist, Dr. Pellman, or the neurologist Dr. Casson, both of whom just came off like horrible shills) said that to his knowledge, dementia was only associated with boxers and some steeplechasers, and never in football players.

Dr. (C-L), Thursday, 10 October 2013 04:08 (ten years ago) link

Suicide Tourist

Jeff, Thursday, 10 October 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link

It was Casson, Dr.

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Thursday, 10 October 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link

Suicide Tourist was good.

quincie, Thursday, 10 October 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link

I can't remember what else I've watched and now Netflix doesn't show your entire streaming history :(((((((

Jeff, Thursday, 10 October 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link

I cried so hard watching Suicide Tourist.

carl agatha, Thursday, 10 October 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link

The NFL's response to this reminded me of the debate over climate change. Deny it exists, say it's being studied further, and keep kicking the can down the road.

dmr, Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link

It reminded me of the tobacco industry.

Untt (La Lechera), Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

NOTE: I haven't watched this yet, but will soon, so I don't know what it covers and what it doesn't. This Mike Florio piece, though, sort of makes it seem like Frontline only told half the story and there's plenty of blame for the NFLPA to share.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/09/league-of-denial-fails-to-tell-the-whole-story-on-concussions/

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link

I kept thinking about how my mother said back in the 70's that Byron 'Whizzer' White must have sustained a few too many head injuries playing football and wondering how many football players have known all along how much of a gamble with their health their taking.

The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Thursday, 10 October 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

This Mike Florio piece, though, sort of makes it seem like Frontline only told half the story and there's plenty of blame for the NFLPA to share.

interesting piece but he's a little too harsh on Frontline imo, it doesn't really change the substance of the documentary that they just said "the NFL is to blame" instead of "the NFL is to blame and also the players." they probably should have put some of that in but it's not like it renders the whole thing not credible.

dmr, Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link

If the NFL players' association assisted the league in denying it, while being fully aware of the extent and seriousness of the problem, then obviously those responsible for it ought to be exposed, too. This Frontline documentary seemed more interested in presenting indisputable proof that this problem is real and widespread, and that denying it or evading it is an extremely dangerous and untenable position. The words and actions of the NFL spoke for themselves.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 October 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link

the Leigh Steinberg anecdote about Aikman was unsettling

dmr, Thursday, 10 October 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link

cool professional sports league

velko, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link

NOT recommended for hypochondriacs! I bet it has a lot of cool looking bacteria photography though.

Has the age of antibiotics come to an end? From a young girl thrust onto life support in Arizona to an uncontrollable outbreak at one of the nation’s most prestigious hospitals, FRONTLINE investigates the alarming rise of a deadly type of bacteria that our modern antibiotics can’t stop.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link

That one goes in the "Can't watch; too much anxiety" column. I'm not even a hypochondriac! Just an end-of-the-world-ophobe.

carl agatha, Monday, 21 October 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, this one prob will qualify for horror movie status.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link

(I can't wait!)

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link

these tic tac bacteria are pure evil

https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y4/r/-PAXP-deijE.gif

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:39 (ten years ago) link

I have a feeling tonight's broadcast will not be for the faint of heart or those with a anxious constitution.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link

ok just fyi -- this is legit horrifying

sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, this one prob will qualify for horror movie status.

― sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, October 21, 2013 7:34 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(I can't wait!)

― sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, October 21, 2013 7:35 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

delighted lols

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 02:39 (ten years ago) link

]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3743/10433619613_83859992d7.jpg
so pretty
til you realize they are ANTIBIOTIC RESISTANT SUPERBUGS

sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link

Just been made aware of these series of documentaries. I watched the "ghosts of rwanda" doc for class and its amazing (and harrowing obv). eager to watch the NFL one.

subaltern 8 (Michael B), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 13:17 (ten years ago) link

Superbug episode last night was scary as shit, thanks in part to scary production choices.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 13:56 (ten years ago) link

yea this 1 was p great/horrifying

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 21:47 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

today i introduced the project where my sts have to watch a frontline doc/write about it and, as predicted, at least one person went to the website for the flea medicine.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link

: )

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link

Oh dear.

Hey I finally watched the NFL concussion episode. Really, really good. Poor Dr. Omalu.

Also LOLed cynically at the BU neurologist talking about how there was a lot of sexism in the air when she was facing down the Dudes of the NFL, then cut to NFL dude being like, "There's no sexism. If she had a problem, it was because she wasn't taking the right tone when she told us the information." LOLbarf

carl agatha, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link

...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link

That lady was amazing and I loved her voice.

Update on superbugs -- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/do-hospital-workers-really-wash-their-hands/

The findings aren't really as amusing as stuff like this

So two years ago, the hospital expanded its campaign, creating posters featuring physician and nursing leadership from each unit declaring that they supported good hand hygiene.

The aim was partly a guilt-trip, “to just kinda put people in a tight spot,” Elliott said. For example, he said, “The chief of a certain unit was known for not washing his hands.” So they splashed his picture on a poster declaring his support for the policy to encourage him, and everyone in his unit, to wash their hands. “That person started washing his hands,” he said.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 15 November 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link

Ugh a doctor who doesn't wash his hands? Gross. What a jerk.

carl agatha, Friday, 15 November 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link

Seriously. But if my mom's malpractice suit taught me anything it's that Don Henley levels of assholery flourish in the profession.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 15 November 2013 21:31 (ten years ago) link

^^Well, yeah.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 November 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link

Haha

sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 15 November 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link

lolll

carl agatha, Friday, 15 November 2013 22:13 (ten years ago) link


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