Is this anti-semitism?

yes

how'd that make it any different from any of the 'is this ?' threads tbf

lol well like apart from mordy saying 'yes' i guess

The syllogism goes like this. Not all critics of Israel are anti-Semites. If I am a critic of Israel, therefore I am not an anti-Semite.

uh no that's not a syllogism and it's not a valid deduction either.

wait, it might be close to a syllogism -- just remove the "if". it's still not valid.

he seems to be turning the statement

Not all critics of Israel are anti-Semites.

into

All critics of Israel are not anti-Semites.

which you can't do. I'm not sure what his point is.

It's bollocks basically

I think the point is that this kind of faulty syllogism is used to defend antisemitism masked as antizionism. The speaker's point exactly is that this kind of syllogism doesn't actually work, but it's still commonly used as an argumentative trick. I guess he should've called it a "false syllogism" or something like that, but the point is pretty clear to me.

It's poorly expressed but what he's getting it is plainly true: one extreme claims that all criticism of Israel is anti-semitic while the other claims that none of it is. Both are false but feed off each other.

OK.

Have we had this one yet:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/11/ban-male-circumcision-antisemitic

One thing I've got out of this thread, by the way, is to see a lot of bullshit down in the comments of that CiF piece that I wouldn't have picked up on before. A lot of talk about Modern Europe and Barbarism That Has No Place, and The Bronze Age.

Almost a quarter of respondents in a major survey of Jews from nine European countries said they avoid visiting places and wearing symbols that identify them as Jews for fear of anti-Semitism.

Fear of wearing a kippah and other identifiably Jewish items was especially strong in Sweden, where 49 percent of 800 respondents said they refrained from such actions, in a survey conducted this year among more than 5,100 Jews by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights.

In France, 40 percent of approximately 1,200 Jews said they avoided wearing such items in public, followed by Belgium with 36 percent, according to preliminary results from the survey, obtained by JTA.

In total, 22 percent of respondents said they avoided “Jewish events or sites” because of safety concerns.

In Hungary, 91 percent of more than 500 respondents said anti-Semitism has increased in the past five years. That figure was 88 percent in France; 87 percent in Belgium and 80 percent in Sweden. In Germany, Italy and Britain, some 60 percent of respondents identified a growth in anti-Semitism, compared to 39 percent in Latvia.

saw on some episode of Bizarre Foods (lol) the other day that Hungary has the largest per capita population of Jews in Europe, which I would not have expected given their own mini-Holocaust. Jewish quarter looked pretty awesome tho.

Has the third largest synagogue in the world!

i went to school w/ a kid whose grandfather, a poet, was one of the 1,685 jews that kastner negotiated to escape hungary

shakey you'll be happy to hear that regarding this controversy - http://www.salon.com/2013/10/22/were_the_onions_anti_semitic_slurs_fair_game/ - i have no criticism of the onion's article

wow, i'm a jew and somewhat sensitive to thoughtless anti-semitism but it didn't even occur to me to take offense at that onion piece

the only actual offended person that's mentioned in any of the articles about this is some unnamed person's twitter...theres prob already a thread about this but the new media way of trying to gin up controversy about something by writing an article faux-innocently asking "Gee..Is there a controversy about this?" is deeply irritating

http://forward.com/articles/185720/will-we-ever-be-forgiven-for-the-holocaust/

Wait we've talked about this piece already iirc

yeah, but this is the first time i saw a complete transcript. i guess i really need to read the finkler question

here's something new

https://twitter.com/DaftLimmy/status/394108118126575616

lol Mordy not gettin jokes

that was my fault for sending that to mordy without contextualizing the fact he posts all sorts of confused shit on his twitter with varying degrees of sincerity, though he could probably do with avoiding antisemitic tropes when clowning russell brand fans

"joekz"

Tough for a bro

Most confusing anti-semitism ever: http://gawker.com/crappy-bigot-beat-up-hebrew-speaking-men-for-speaking-1453315223

A Wisconsin man who thought he was committing a run-of-the-mill hate crime against two Spanish-speaking men was probably red in the face from shame after learning that his victims were actually speaking Hebrew.

According to the official criminal complaint, Dylan Grall of Janesville was strolling around early Sunday morning when he encountered two men, aged 22 and 23, speaking a foreign language he believed to be Spanish.

The 23-year-old then swore at the men and "demanded they speak English," leading to a confrontation "where the victims were both struck in the face."

One of the victims reportedly fell to the ground while the other had his eye "nearly swollen shut."

Grall, who was charged with battery and two counts of Hate Crime, denied hitting the men, but acknowledged telling them to stop speaking Spanish and start speaking English.

An eyewitness later confirmed the attack to police and said the men were speaking Hebrew.

was probably red in the face from shame after learning that his victims were actually speaking Hebrew.

was he tho

yeah, he was a real redskin afterwards.

(xp) Yeah surely beating up some Jews would top beating up some Spaniards to this dude?

certainly i wouldnt be assuming much about him in terms of where he draws his own personal shame boundaries, yeah

Ha gawker's all like beating up on hispanics is cool but lol at this guy getting racism wrong

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2013/10/30/livingsocial-apologizes-for-adding-dreidels-to-greed-room-at-party/

I have to believe that it was an accident where the dreidels were part of the games in the room but still, wow

Is the person on the US side of this 1949 Soviet propaganda poster supposed to be Jewish?

http://i.imgur.com/ersffTt.jpg

idk, it's a weird image -- what's wrapped around his face?

he has a tootache, too much Coca Cola

i'd have to know what it says but my initial visual impression is that he's not supposed to be jewish

thats international jewry for sure

top hat in 1949 is clearly indebted to early 20th century left antisemitic iconography, jowly financier with aquiline nose and sallow yet swarthy complexion compared to the ruddy slav

also bling derived from extraction of surplus value from immiserated proletariat

http://ruthlessculture.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nazi_cartoon_jew_der_sturmer_antisemitism_juutalaisvainot-bloodlibel_wandering_jew_propaganda_2.jpg

The main caption is "Same Day, Different Weather" and the message of the poster is that the US economy's in the shit while the Soviets are flourishing - nothing about Jews, I think. The paper the US guy is holding says something like "Soldier plans." Just seemed to be a weird portrayal of an American and I don't understand the details - the hat, glasses, scarf, rings, fangs(?), darkish skin. I guess only the nose and maybe the hat said Jew to me.

i'm not familiar w/ the jew wearing a top hat stereotype

Jeiwsh banker - stems from the Rothschilds

if those are supposed to be fangs then blood libel / exsanginuation of volkisch lifeblood etc, glasses connote physical weakness compared to welding (?) glasses

ussr in 1948 is only covertly antisemitic so it's a supporting element of the attack on capitalism, anthropomorphized 'international finance' is always slyly antisemitic

no wait they are just supposed to be sunglasses uhm still

sometimes a set of sunglasses is just etc etc

i'm pretty sure 'jews = money' predates the rothschild banking empire

i'm not familiar w/ the jew wearing a top hat stereotype

― Mordy , Monday, November 25, 2013 9:10 PM (2 hours ago)

The hats worn by religious Jewish men have changed over time & the top hat has definitely been associated with Jews in the past, though this could be more through the idea of Jews being seen to be very keen on hats in general at times when the most common hats happened to be top hats.

But even today (like, actually today, when I'm trying to research this), people often make the mistake of calling those wide-brimmed Orthodox hats top hats. It seems plausible that in the crude visual language of cold war propaganda the top hat could symbolise the Jew, though it seems equally plausible that the image just represents a melange of signifiers of the mean-spirited capitalist, with any Jewish elements included only because they are there in the larger stereotype. The scarf is the biggest mystery to me, but maybe it's just chilly in the West.