Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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Oooh, this is a good key word: "hateful". Nothing in SR seems hateful at all. The entire game is a pisstake.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-09-30-women-in-games-rebalancing-the-scales

'"I haven't played GTA V, and I'll be sorry if my enjoyment is spoiled because one writer, or a collection or writers, was allowed to introduce content that I find alienating or hateful"

Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Saturday, 5 October 2013 20:06 (ten years ago) link

I've never seen that site before but I love that all the comments list the title and studio of each commenter; it means I can look up what work people with cool opinions have done or are doing :~)

Andrew Kornfan, Sunday, 6 October 2013 00:22 (ten years ago) link

http://tevisthompson.com/on-videogame-reviews/

乒乓, Thursday, 17 October 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/16030248625351249843

ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2013 05:36 (ten years ago) link

have we learned nothing from Evony?

Nhex, Monday, 21 October 2013 05:42 (ten years ago) link

must be so hard to keep female gamers out of games like that

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 21 October 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link

finally we have the pirate sideboob game the public has been crying out for

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Monday, 21 October 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link

hoo boy I am having a discussion with a friend of mine of Facebook over that Bioshock/reviewers suck blog article

fortunately dude is mostly reasonable so it's more "I disagree with that post you linked" rather than "obviously the guy who wrote that is the real racist"

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Monday, 21 October 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link

is the whole series this dumb? I've never played any of em

original bgm, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Apparently yes? I've never played them, either.

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Monday, 21 October 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link

is the new one not good? i've been waiting for it to go on discount on steam, and the first one i remember was pretty great (at least up until the twist - i got bored shortly thereafter). it looks pretty

Mordy , Monday, 21 October 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link

lol:

The game's concept was developed by Irrational's creative lead, Ken Levine, and was based on the ideas of Objectivism as highlighted by Ayn Rand, while incorporating influences from other authors such as George Orwell.

original bgm, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link

the first one was more of a "critique" of objectivism than "based on"

Mordy , Monday, 21 October 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

infinite is very good. those challops are pretty stale.

brand nubian wafers (bnw), Monday, 21 October 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link

first one was great. it did drag on a bit too long and the gameplay was so-so FPS junk, but those are minor complaints in what was an excellent package. I still have to get to the second one

Nhex, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9mZJ8vmdA

gyac, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:33 (ten years ago) link

i didn't know there was more than one of those girlfriend xbone ads. they're on a roll!

Nhex, Thursday, 5 December 2013 03:34 (ten years ago) link

infinite is very good. those challops are pretty stale.

― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Monday, October 21, 2013 12:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

its one of the worst games ive ever played. i pirated it and i still feel ripped off

Hungry4Ass, Thursday, 5 December 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link

fucking idiots
http://storify.com/SeeBeeWhitman/depression-quest-harassment-campaign

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 13 December 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link

this shit makes me so sad and angry and it just perpetuates over and over and i don't know how it's ever going to stop

ciderpress, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link

its one of the worst games ive ever played. i pirated it and i still feel ripped off

― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:47 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is what you need to do. cue up a video of ken levine discussing the depth of the storyline you are failing to grasp. have that playing a loop on your headset as you go through the game. then report back to me on if you still hate it.

bnw, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:46 (ten years ago) link

xp ugh. good for her for standing up to these idiots, it's a shame she has to deal with this bullshit

Nhex, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:59 (ten years ago) link

i don't think this belongs in this thread but i couldn't think of a better one to post it too. depressing:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/12/13/the-messy-saga-of-replays-paul-trowe-as-al-lowe-quits/

Mordy , Friday, 13 December 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link

wtf at that link in the comments citing this guy as a child molester 20 years ago

Nhex, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link

gamers barrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrf

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 14 December 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link

"megaman has never been a western series. please keep western ideals/movements such as 'female empowerment and representation' very far away from megaman."

i read that and immediately think megaman v john wayne totin copies of the second sex in his satchel

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://imgur.com/a/sfl3r

, Saturday, 4 January 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link

even the edited versions are still kinda over the top, why bother, honestly?
ugh, don't make me side with creepos

Nhex, Saturday, 4 January 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link

p.s. new year, new acct d?

Nhex, Saturday, 4 January 2014 06:21 (ten years ago) link

tbf its not like there aren't skimpy costumes for the male characters too

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 4 January 2014 11:38 (ten years ago) link

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170/

long read, not video games but same frequency

bnw, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

very sad

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

the internet was harassing Dong Nguyen for making a game, which is unacceptable. -- links to tweets where ppl are yelling at him for taking it off the website; probably over-the-top but his one link to how the internet harassed Nguyen disproves his argument.

Mordy , Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:25 (ten years ago) link

it seems to me like flappy bird has been really embraced. it's super popular and everyone i know loves it.

Mordy , Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link

I definitely saw some twitter weirdness about the guy before he announced he was taking it down. But I have no idea if the race thing has anything to do with it.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link

And the abuse directed toward him for taking it down doesn't disprove that there was abuse directed toward him beforehand. That's a pretty odd thing to claim.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link

it's just that he cites that particular link as evidence that ppl disliked the game. he continues in the next paragraph:


This harassment was also completely baseless, because (a) the game is rather well-made, if you like these sorts of insta-death reflex games, (b) Flappy Bird lets you restart quickly, which is usually a huge monetization point -- why would a supposedly-greedy mobile game developer monetize their game so inefficiently?, (c) if you look at the actual pixels, Nguyen clearly did not rip any art, and who cares if he wanted to put green pipes in his game?

if he can't correctly parse a bunch of ppl being upset bc a game they like is being taken away from them, maybe he lacks the skills to do a more complex sociopolitical analysis of the racial context of the game.

Mordy , Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link

Hm, okay, I get what you're saying - he didn't provide the right evidence, it kind of scuppers his argument. But personally I've seen stuff that backs up his claim... But yeah, I can't be arsed to look for it myself now, and he should have done the work anyway, not me.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link

Robert Yang Fartmaster • a day ago −
Hey "fartmaster" -- almost every mainstream outlet has made a point of announcing Nguyen as Vietnamese. I don't think that, itself, is bad, because I'd agree that's newsworthy given the state of the mobile market... yet it certainly plays a role... like whether you think he's just expressing his love of Mario (what, so your fandom of Mario is more genuine than his?) vs. he's somehow now a conniving thief who's claiming he invented the idea of pixel art pipes that he drew himself?

like what is even the argument here? that ppl are being racist against the vietnamese designer homaging a japanese video game icon by relying on the old shopworn vietnamese are thieves (?????is this a thing????) stereotype?

Mordy , Tuesday, 11 February 2014 01:38 (ten years ago) link

i noticed more than a few articles that announced his "theft" of assets as a settled, done deal, with tons of angry comments about it, which was just BS

socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link

it's a good time to hate on the Asian man

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link

i wonder if this is more due to the fact that there's a sort of concept of the non-Japanese-east that is all pirate-y and stuff -- if this game was made by someone from north america, or europe, or even japan, it wouldn't be stealing -- it'd be "reference" or "homage" or something. but since he's from some place where they steal software and there's no "tacit knowledge" of the "relevance" of "video game" """history""" there it must be theft?

I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link

idk i have a terrible head cold and that might not make any sense but :( @ ppl picking THAT particular nit, wtf, seriously.

i'd be interested to see if there was some precedent for this in western writing about eastern music, ie. "(person from asia) ripped off this part of this song" in the same breath as "(person from USA) sampled this song"

I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/21/female-journalist-gets-rape-threats-over-comic-book-criticism.html

This is from the world of comic books, but this seems to be the most relevant thread to this topic. Dunno if it needs a parallel one on ilc.

glasses jacket jerfman (how's life), Friday, 25 April 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link

Because it was created by a straight white male, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/23/5640678/playing-with-privilege-the-invisible-benefits-of-gaming-while-male

bizarro gazzara, Saturday, 26 April 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link

I like this relevant Cracked podcast ep, as Jason Pargin begins to peck away at defining the problem:

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/shockingly-sexist-messages-in-the-modern-world/

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link


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