Petition for Annoying Jews of ILX Board

I keep reading this thread title as petitioning to annoy jews.

eg this website is totally devoted to the topic (nb i don't read this site so i can't vouch for its quality of argument): http://bbcwatch.org

look at the beirut hostile media study in that case. pro-israel commentators frequently make very strong cases that the bbc is not pro-israel (ones that i have to agree w/ as a regular listener of the bbc)

― Mordy , Monday, September 30, 2013 11:35 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's become pretty clear that media critics on both sides are convinced that every media outlet not 100% following their respective platforms is biased toward the other side. That said, there is a difference between subtle editorializing in individual news articles and presenting a long-form historical documentary that culminates in an argument for the state of israel. And whether the BBC is usually biased a different way has nothing to do with whether that's an appropriate way to present the subject.

did you watch the documentary, hurting, or are you just going off the articles you've read on the topic?

bc certainly if a historian argued that the shoah was a large factor in the creation of the state of israel, they wouldn't be arguing for a moral right for israel to exist - just acknowledging a pretty stale historical fact that 99% of the world agrees w/ (that killing 6m jews helped galvanize the creation of the state)

this is maybe a different topic but i think it tangentially relates to the prevalence of holocaust denial in islamic society - presumably bc its fact alone makes such a persuasive case for the state of israel/zionism even w/out explicit editorializing.

isn't there like a billion and a half muslims in the world? how prevalent is holocaust denial among them really

i don't think Schama wd claim to be an objective historian; i don't think any historian today wd make many claims to objectivity. his case for Israel as it reads up there cd be argued as a causal one as well as a personal opinion

really prevalent? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Holocaust_denial_in_the_Arab_world

i don't think any historian today wd make many claims to objectivity

well true but perhaps "presented as objective history" is quite close all the same

"the arab world" isn't the same as saying islamic society, just for starters

I was trying to be inclusive towards the persians

Maybe you can Gabbneb and Shakey Mo to post on your Annoying Jews of ILX Board

I have no memory of what prompted this

how prevalent is holocaust denial among them really

it is really prevalent

that's not the only time I ever remember him saying something vaguely anti-Jewish, fwiw

I don't really care it's just weird that gabbneb and I would ever be on the same side of anything lol

It was an hourlong programme focusing on the foundation of israel and developments since in context of a series on the history of the jews, told by a historian with a trait of personalising the subject.

Attacking him for mentioning that he thought israel had a right to exist (i suppose more correctly stating one of the justifications for same) seems to be the reaction of a viewer just waiting for the chance to jump.

Fwiw he addressed from various povs the thoughts of israelis who were uneasy about the placement of their settlements on cleared palestinian villages, israelis taking advantage of available housing on disputed expansions, interviewed ppl re the changing borders after and since 67, and there were varying degrees of doubt and belligerence throughout without much in the way of input from him.

The only person he took pains to clearly disagree with advocated (in as many words) a return to the biblical borders. Schama found it visibly difficult to engage with this guy and admitted as much in the next section where he and another guy dismissed these views as near enough lunacy.

He finished with a final piece p critical of the israeli state as is imo, but certainly not denying its right to exist nor asserting that, as an outsider, he had much right to a judgement at all.

In no way an hour of propaganda imo, he was never gonna present an arab case for redress in this series.

PICTS PLEASE

― Laurel, Tuesday, January 22, 2008

^^ far better post than this thread deserved

did anyone make reference to the canonical sunny successor post re: "annoying" ?

uh

look idk how to say this sarahell but the jews have a different canon

Didn't know about The Story of the Jews until today but found it on video and the history graduate in me had a nerdgasm finding out about the Geniza collection because omg

geniza collection is super cool - i visited the JTS archive in college and was really amazed

The bits in the archive they showed looked incredible, including the kids' doodles.

Found it on vimeo, not video, I should say.

This isn't really the thread for it I know but I just barrelled through the whole thing and I really loved it. Anyone complaining about that last episode is ridiculous, although I do recognise that I'm coming from a position that is if not in lockstep with Schama's at least close to it. Still, it's pretty damning of the settlements and, in a way, the pitfalls of nationalism (which, as is pointed out in the last three episodes, is one of the major sources of the horrors in Europe). Given that, I just can't understand someone complaining to the BBC.

Pardon me, but is this the thread where ILX gathers to annoy jews?

There should be a star beside each Jewish user's name.

― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pardon me, but is this the thread where ILX gathers to annoy jews?

― Aimless, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:17 (2 hours ago) Permalink

no, you merely petition for the right to do so here

can I get a star next to my name

it'll cost ya

You gotta work for it

Please, sir! May I annoy some jews?

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Pe-ti-TIOOOOON ...PETITION!

No one gonna post Alec Guinness from that film?