Ying Yang Twins - Whisper In Your Ear

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And of course I'd expect crunk rappers to be into rough sex.

Ah, but what caused the expectation to start with?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, I feel the need to suggest that beat the pussy up is just another way of saying doin it RIGHT and that if you're kneejerk responding by thinking it's a misogynistic phrase, you should ask yourself what else they could possibly mean here. That they'll beat her vagina with their massive penises (penii?) like they were the LAPD and she named her coochie Rodney King? Methinks not.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

To misquote Woody Allen, "Is rough sex dirty? Only if it's done right."

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, but what caused the expectation to start with?

The aggression of the music, the whole crunk ethos (losing control &c)...

I like thinking of it as a dialogue with the female rappers and R&B girls, who more than hold their own via either rejection (Ciara) or trumping the aggressive sexual imagery with something even more threatening (Trina).

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

M: I think Beat-In-Azz did Grey Goose, didn't he?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, I feel the need to suggest that beat the pussy up is just another way of saying doin it RIGHT and that if you're kneejerk responding by thinking it's a misogynistic phrase, you should ask yourself what else they could possibly mean here. That they'll beat her vagina with their massive penises (penii?) like they were the LAPD and she named her coochie Rodney King? Methinks not.

No, I don't think they mean it literally at all. A generous interpretation would just be that it's a careless turn-of-phrase, a less-generous one might suggest that if beating a pussy up is your idea of the right way to, uh, sex than your ("you" as in "one", not you personally) attitudes towards women might need to be examined. I don't think it's neccesarily either, but I wouldn't be comfortable singing it out loud.

C0L1N B--KETT, Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

wow. this is pretty incredible. i don't see that there's more misogyny here than in a lot of hip-hop, either.

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Look, I certainly don't want to turn this into some sort of idiotic "I know what girls like" argument, but if you ("you" as in "one", not you personally) think that "beatin' the pussy up" is the WRONG way to get down, then maybe you've been hanging out at the wrong places with the wrong ladies.
As for me, I can't STOP chanting "beathapussahup".
And lately, "eatspaghettahup" too.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I never said it was the WRONG way, but there's a clear difference in context between dirty fun and "hey bitch, I'm gonna beat that pussy, up", I mean she hasn't even seen his dick yet!

C0L1N B--KETT, Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but just wait 'till she DOES!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Different strokes, you two! (pun intended)

There's a comic, surreal quality to the bravado here that makes it more amusing than offensive personally, though I totally understand if someone has no desire to hear it. I like stuff that's crass and irreverent. If it was performed more hatefully I wouldn't enjoy it. It's why I can enjoy Eazy-E's rhymes more than Ice Cube's sometimes on Straight Outta Compton.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be comfortable singing it out loud.

I sang it out loud today! My best friend wanted to know more. We were in the National Gallery, oh dear. I'd be totally comfortable with singing the whole song out loud as it's a whisper anyway.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Miccio, i think that is otm. The Big Tymers pull that surreal thing off quite well sometimes too.

deej., Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't find the song offensive, necessarily. I like it in the way that I enjoy certain found audio stuff (or something like the Apology Line) or maybe some Jandek music - at a bit of an observational remove. I'm not sure whether this song is a look into the mind of a creepy person or an act/fantasy, it's a representation of a pretty real kind of sexuality whether you identify with it or not. There are a lot of songs about kinky/violent sex. I don't see this as being so radical, actually. It's just very effective and evocative.

Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Monday, 10 January 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

it's like the crunk version of those creepy house songs. ts: this vs. green velvet "answering machine," and so on.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 10 January 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

dude that's not nearly as ott 'you talk about cuttin and hittin skins / we talk about "beat that face"' (kardinal offishall, "bakardi slang") but in both cases it's just some slang for getting busy. like really busy.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 January 2005 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link

The bass reminds of Back 2 Basics' "Horns For 94"!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 January 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the discussion here about beating the pussy up is hilarious and great.

ppp, Monday, 10 January 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I just want to note that Freek-A-Leek is way more misogynistic than this, in that he refuses to go down on her. That, my friends, is truly anti-woman.

sleepnotwork, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

wait wait I thought he notes its time to give her hers!

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

the first verse he acknowledges the necessity of inebriation for him to perform cunnilingus but in the second he definitely seems like a willing participant in "anything she can handle."

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

sex-rap semantics is fun.

btw Ying Yang Twins' "Georgia Dome" specifically references that one of them won't eat anything that gets up and walks away.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 07:47 (nineteen years ago) link

That chorus is one "b" away from being the best thing ever. The verses don't look like anything special, though (I'm assuming it's all in the delivery).

I could probably think of songs that are misogynist in a more unsavory way, maybe. Like the Ramones' "Loudmouth".

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, after listening to it, it doesn't seem funny enough. Boo to that. I still don't know what to think of this ultra-minimalist post-"Drop It Like It's Hot" production, which from what I can tell usually benefits primarily when the MC's charismatic. Whispering? Enh.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not that great a beat, really, is it? i'm suprised that Al likes it as much as he does. considering he's normally way suspicious of ilm's love of 'novelty-production' rap (bellydancer/goodies/other things that would support my point but i can't think of at the moment)

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know if I'm ready to hear this.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

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TS: "beat" vs. "pound" as a verb referring to rough sex, consensual or otherwise?

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why the fuck does anyone think there's anything nonconsensual about this song?? It's a really bizarre leap to make at best, and frankly I find really close to implying that black men like to rape people

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, you don't think the ying yang twins have memorable deliveries?!

deej., Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they sound like a raunchy, rapping tom waits from ATL.

deej., Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"mind if i touch it... unless you say that I can... I don't mind askin'"

these don't sound non-consensual to me

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I may have missed a specific post or something, but who implied it was non-consensual, Tracer?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not that great a beat, really, is it? i'm suprised that Al likes it as much as he does. considering he's normally way suspicious of ilm's love of 'novelty-production' rap (bellydancer/goodies/other things that would support my point but i can't think of at the moment)
-- m. (mitchnet70NOSPA...), January 12th, 2005.

actually, if you look, I haven't really praised it that highly (I think the extent of my value judgement was "this is bananas"). I wrote about/linked it becauses I thought (rightly) that it was noteworthy and would provoke discussion, and because noone else seemed to have heard it yet. I do like it, though.

I wouldn't say I'm totally suspicious or dismissive of weird or minimalist beats with novelty value. I could come up with a much longer list of the ones I love than the ones I hate. there are just some that grate on me or that I think could have been done more effectively.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i was being kinda dismissive. sorry if i rubbed ya the wrong way.

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

oh no it's all good, i can understand you getting that impression.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone gmail this to me, pleeeeeaz? econjohn at g mail . com

i will report back forthwith...

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sent, John.

C0L1N B--KETT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks c0l1n!

this some crazy shit. i dunno that i've ever really heard anything like this. that minimal, listener-under-water-sounding beat is surprisingly effective to these ears. the lyrics don't do much for me, but i really dig the delivery.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I'm just overreacting, miccio.

ALL: oh *really*

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Really, it's all about the textures, just hearing those occasional semi-wolf-whistle wails here and there is such an effective touch. The main tag line is intentionally ridiculously nonsexy, surely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 January 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm lovin this. It sounds like Reich's Drumming performed by a bunch of horny ghetto adolescents.

Rizz (Rizz), Saturday, 15 January 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/mixtape_monday/012405/

"Somebody turned the faucet on and didn't turn it off," D-Roc, one half of the Ying Yang Twins, blurted out on Wednesday in the "TRL" green room. He was poking fun at the predicament he and his "brother" Kane are in. Their new song, "Wait," has gotten out early, so they are quickly trying to turn an album around. "Somebody had leaked our music, and the people, the world [were taken] by surprise," Kane further explained. "It wasn't time for us to be looking at our album." "Wait" is easily one of the Twins' most sex-charged songs yet, with the guys rapping through the entire record in the tone of a whisper. "It's coming from the point of talking to a lady in her ear," Kane said. "Perverted whispers in her ear!" D-Roc chipped in. "You trying to get you some!" "Wait" is the first single from the Twins' United States of Atlanta album, due this summer...

Al (sitcom), Monday, 24 January 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

and now it's track 22 on the new DJ Smallz Southern Smoke 16.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

United States of Atlanta

I have a favorite album title of the year already.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to wait til the Summer for this?!??!?!

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep imagining Tom Waits covering this with similarly minimal but rattling percussion.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I want a WAV file of Tom Waits sayin' "How ya doin' lil shawty?" that I can use to replace the windows chimes when I turn on my computer.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah i thought of tom waits when i was listening to it too.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not as ecstatic about this as I was when I first downloaded it. The whole thing is way too long for the gimmick.

C0L1N B--KETT, Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Still great.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Mustard is so consciously indebted to Lil Jon that i don't feel like i miss him as much as i did a few years ago. would be interesting to hear him be more engaged w/ rap's current wave than that new "Turn Down For What" knockoff single featuring Tyga, though.

some dude, Sunday, 21 September 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link

Timbaland's hard shit is harder than the Neptunes tho

― The Reverend, Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah honestly I think most of 'em are pretty bad but idk how many I'm thinking of. "3 A.M." being the one exception I'd agree with you on, shit's like a horror flick lol

nova, Sunday, 21 September 2014 01:51 (nine years ago) link

dude at Ohword back in the mid-'00s had a post dissing the hell out of Timbaland during his JT/Nelly Furtado/Danjahandz resurgence and one of his main criticisms was that his catalogue's devoid of straight-up bangers. I disagreed at the time but he was onto something

Not that his "poppier"/typical old style in diff. eras style hasn't yielded tons of classics but it is a problem that disconnects him a bit from the core of the genre imo. Plus there's the fact that I just can't listen to Missy's albums straight through like that, although that is partially her fault, I don't think she's a very good rapper & the "goofiness" is not enough to make up for it

nova, Sunday, 21 September 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link

also Mustard may be indebted to Jon but I don't think he's anywhere near as good. though yeah not into "Turn Down for What" and lol don't know the other one you mentioned, fuck Tyga though

OK triple post my bad gonna chill heh

nova, Sunday, 21 September 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

This song grosses me out. I don't like it when vox are recorded in a way that you can hear the saliva noises of the vocalists mouth...there's some Leonard Cohen songs I can't listen to for the same reason...this is my biggest pet peeve in all of music....this is maybe significant cuz it's the first rap song ever to do it. but it's still GROSS! yucky.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link


This is, like, all pop music now

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 5 December 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link


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