Mary J. Blige: Classic or Dud?

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'dont go' makes me cry every time, actually i nearly cry just looking at the name of the mp3 in explorer and avoid clicking it just so that i dont have to cry again. recently ive been relistening to 'not today' ft eve, from the excellent barbershop 2 soundtrack - eve looks fantastic in the video with those chanel sunglasses on - mary looks great too & thats saying something sitting there in the car right next to eve! its a good team up, good scathing tone from both of them. mary j is classic of course but i guess sometimes her grief songs verge on something primal that i find difficult to deal with!

navy, Monday, 16 January 2006 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

that new MJB MVP track over the 50 cent beat is horrendous. but not as horrendous as i had hoped. shouldnt she be past the age-old singing over hip hop loops trick by now? shes almost 40 for gods sake.

okok, Monday, 16 January 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"hip hop loops trick"

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Blige is 34. What's the cutoff age? When you're 24 -- i.e., almost 30? Obviously it's not 14 -- i.e., almost 20.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

AARP members may not use that hip-hop loops trick.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was four and people would ask my mom how old I was, she would say, "He's almost 10!"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

You're 84 now, right Andy? (Your son meanwhile is 56.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just going to start an Acker Bilk thread.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

...uhm, Mary Blige is one of those singers that i love but find the albums really patchy, too much fillers, so i was waiting for the greatest hits treatment but, WTF, this tracklist does not looke really great..., and yes the Method Man/Blige is here but also 'One', the worst song ever even and expecially if sung by Blige or Cash (but why they have to cover it in the first place...). What you think (if you care) of this tracklist?:

1 Reflections (I Remember)
2 We Ride (I See The Future)
3 You Know
4 King And Queen Duet - Blige, Mary J. & John Legend
5 No More Drama
6 Family Affair
7 Real Love
8 No One Will Do
9 Be Without You
10 I'm Going Down
11 911 - Blige, Mary J. & Wyclef Jean
12 Not Gon' Cry
13 My Life 2006
14 Be Happy
15 I'll Be There For You/You're All I Need To Get By (Razor Sharp mix) - Blige, Mary J. & Method Man
16 As - Michael, George & Mary J. Blige
17 One - Blige, Mary J. & U2
18 MJB Da MVP



minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It's missing a lot of her best stuff... should've been a double disc.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

no mary jane (all night long) no credibility

millenarian (millenarian), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

no 'all that i can say' = not worth owning

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

and no "I Love You," no "Love @ 1st Sight," no "I'm Goin' Down" (= my three favorite Mary singles besides "Real Love") and what the fuck is this "My Life 2006" shit. really, though, even if it was a perfect best-of drawn from her albums you'd still have to burn a disc of hooks she sang on hip hop records to get the full picture.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

mary j blige is so classic that i would really really worry on a very fundamental, are-you-a-real-person level about anyone who claims to be unmoved by her voice.

the tracklisting of this greatest hits = DUD

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Sweet Thing, Reminisce, You Remind Me, All That I Can Say, Ooh...

They shouldn't've included anything from The Breakthrough and maybe even Love and Life -- you can't represent all seven albums on one disc.

Take Me as I Am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

They shouldn't've included anything from The Breakthrough

be without you!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

King And Queen Duet - Blige, Mary J. & John Legend

Dear god, wtf is that thing?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex, I am not saying The Breakthrough and Love and Life don't have anything worthy of a best-of -- I am saying the disc is attempting to cover too much ground.

Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Bah

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but "Be Without You" is too big of a hit to not include, it'd be like leaving out "Real Love" or "Family Affair." is there anything off Love & Life on there, too? didn't really have any big hits anyway.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

too = though

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but "Be Without You" is too big of a hit to not include

I realize that. I do think it would've made more sense -- for the sake of doing her discography justice, at least -- for this disc to be a volume one, covering the albums through No More Drama. Less room for error, fewer crazy omissions (but of course that would've been messed up as well).

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

No, nothing off Love and Life -- her worst album but hardly a disaster.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I've kind of resigned myself to the idea that any long-running artist with a healthy catalog of hits is usually going to end up with multiple best-of's, and the first will usually be a single disc that omits a lot of great old stuff to make room for new singles to make it more saleable, if the artist is still making music when it comes out. and it might not be until after their career's over that you get a really solid double-disc GH. they just never seem to get it right the first time.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I count over 20 top 20 R&B singles alone -- and a few peaked IN the 20s as well. There's no way you can cover all the good stuff on one disc without leaving out a few things.

It looks like you could POSSIBLY squeeze her top 20 R&B singles through No More Drama on one disc.

xpost

Very, very true.

Plus we're seeing more and more best-ofs released within six-nine months of the last album.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

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she is a case of the emperor's new clothes when it comes to singing, isn't she? i find it somewhat comical that u2 did really thought that it was some kind of honour or even a good idea to do that 'one' remake with her - she's really not very good on it. her voice is shallow and going nowhere, and her trying to force it anyway doesn't help. but somehow, her often great beats and personal story of suffering has propelled he into near-iconic status. i find that it is - wrong.

Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

%did

Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

her voice is shallow and going nowhere

RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

her voice is shallow and going nowhere
-- RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (rodneyjgreen...), Wednesday 10:00 AM. (later)

Seriously, what the fuck?

Funny that the first response to this thread was essentially "Get one Aretha" - I keep thinking that there'll be a time when Blige gets the same kind of classic status.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"shallow" is a really odd way to describe someone's voice (I don't fully understand), but I do find her constant self-examinations and self-absorption increasingly irritating (where I once thought this was largely what made her interesting). I don't know--a certain piousness or something has been creeping into her voice of late, and her recent singles in paricular (post-"Family Affair") have been really hard to listen to. I cringe at the part in "take me as I am" where she explains that the subject of the song is really her--like she needed to point that out to us (because, you know, it's not like any of her other songs have been all about MARY).

s w00ds (sw00ds), Friday, 24 November 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://music.aol.com/popeater/2007/09/27/song-premiere-mary-j-blige-just-fine/

AMAZING.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

This is like the most joyous MJB song ever.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, this is great!

Jordan, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

between this and the track w/ Chaka .... :D

deej, Thursday, 27 September 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Why are we just getting all the summer jams now?

The Reverend, Thursday, 27 September 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Second single, in the new iTunes promos:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/5030291acb48d6/

The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

classic but i never really liked any of her albums after my life. and the recent ones seem worse when shes trying to show she can do the same sort of stuff as her younger peers. that said, there was one disco-y song on the last one that had some good house remixes for it (better than the album version) but the original was pretty average. i just think she needs better songs.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 9 July 2009 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Her new albums are as uneven as they ever were, but The-Dream/Ne-Yo stuff on Growing Pains is a very nice fit.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i like how every new album has her saying how this time, shes *really* happy. sometimes it works as w/'just fine', where despite trying to make a joyous (if slightly hollow, not all that amazing) song, the usual sadness in her voice takes it somewhere slightly diff, but shes better singing sad, slightly tortured ish imo. ill still take whats the 411 over anything else shes done.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 9 July 2009 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

"Til the Morning" is my jam off the last one. That "Bounce, Rock, Rollerskate" shit

Sarges B. Mackin! (The Reverend), Friday, 10 July 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i like how every new album has her saying how this time, shes *really* happy. sometimes it works as w/'just fine', where despite trying to make a joyous (if slightly hollow, not all that amazing) song, the usual sadness in her voice takes it somewhere slightly diff, but shes better singing sad, slightly tortured ish imo. ill still take whats the 411 over anything else shes done.

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haha seriously. I'm going to write a Mary J. song called "I Want To Be Happy, But I Am Sad And Wish I Was Happier, But Wait, Now I Am Finally Happy (Let's See How Long It Lasts)"

hop up out the shed, turn my scag on (some dude), Friday, 10 July 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

haha. selfishly, i dont want her to ever be happy (sorry mary). i think getting back with k-ci could be the best thing for her music (not that i want her to get beaten or anything tho).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 10 July 2009 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://twitter.com/maryjblige/status/5687818820

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 8 July 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link

eesh

otmato (The Reverend), Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

mr wrong

surm, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

Anyone own the new one?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

yes, there are some great songs on it, it's much better than her last one. otoh it's not a great album qua album, not just cuz it's overlong (which you could have guessed) but because MJB doesn't commit to or appear to care about any particular aesthetic.

"no condition" and "empty prayers" are both absolutely brilliant though. "mr wrong" is an incredible single, drake aside.

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 30 January 2012 09:05 (twelve years ago) link

five years pass...

she really gave the songs on the new album the most generic self-affirmation titles possible for her best songwriting since 2005

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link

best album since then too

kind of like she wants to really probe the essence of what these clichés mean?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link

A rockcrit friend said the same thing. I still prefer Growing Pains and I iked about half of The London Sessions.

I'm quite taken with the Sullivan cowrites and the title track.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link

I like the new one better than the London one, but haven't listened to the latter in a bit.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 June 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Just discovered her debut album What’s the 411 and can’t stop playing it. Where has this been all my life? Her voice is so beautiful!!

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 December 2019 01:43 (four years ago) link

She's neither classic nor dud. She's okay, sometimes a bit dull, but she's had her moments. Family Affair is her best one by miles.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 19 December 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link

don't over look the second album! my life; not the remixes (even though that one's pretty good too). i think it's even better than 411.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 19 December 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link

and Mary is awesome, especially if you have trouble w/her.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link


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