John Wayne.

OK, so I saw a pic of him very early in his career and he actually was sort of hot at one time.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1303/3930_0010.jpg

Not that one.

I'm a dedicated carnivore, but Wayne is too much beef for one mouth.

xpost to original years old post- i didn't like the quiet man movie because it wasn't true to the original story. quiet man was this wee tiny guy not 6' 5" john wayne. it soured me right from the beginning.

sorry if this has been covered already.

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Alfred, I think Dietrich said the same thing.

kev, yer the only person I've encountered who's read it, or possibly the only who knew there was a story.

I read it in 9th grade -- a low-rent Dubliners kind of thing. Our teacher screened the movie. We were a little surprised that John Wayne made color movies.

Rio Bravo.
I have been drinking.
At 4 am.

^^ modified haiku form

they showed the 3D version of "hondo" in my town tonight! didn't go though: tickets were $55 (!).

SARRIS: Apropos of nothing at all, I just remembered a funny thing. Hawks was talking about a scene with John Wayne and Angie Dickinson in Rio Bravo. And John Wayne says something very cutting, very full of attitude towards her. And Hawks said, "You know, Wayne can't get away with that. I mean, he can't do that. He can't really project this kind of superior feeling. But Bogart can. Bogart can really insult a woman. He can really, you know, take her apart. But Wayne just—you know, he's too repressed to do that."

HASKELL: Well, he's gentler, really.

SARRIS: Yeah, he's much gentler.

HASKELL: Yeah. That's what's so ironic. All these liberals just hate John Wayne, and...

SARRIS: And they love Bogart.

HASKELL: ...they love Bogie. But Bogie is much more macho and arrogant in every way.

http://www.movingimagesource.us/articles/bringing-up-hawks-20080925

Which was the other cavalry one, besides Fort Apache and Yellow Ribbon?

i just noticed that no one answered this five-year-old question! it's "rio grande."

I saw Patricia Neal on her TCM special say Wayne was an obnoxious diva the first time she worked with him, but she got along great with him on In Harm's Way. (he had a better marriage, she speculated)

One of the few man able to carry this off and not be sued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4VKiqTO-xM

was watching big jake on tcm. what a fucking amazing actor this dude was.

from Bodanovich's review of the new bio:

Among the most interesting things I learned from this book are how well Wayne expressed himself in prose, how cogently he formulated his thoughts and what a good student he was. He had wanted, at one point, to be a lawyer, and the few writings Eyman quotes are quite impressive, especially because Ford liked to give the idea that his main star (whom he picked on mercilessly during shoots) was somewhat of an unlettered boob. One time, when I told Ford I was going to give Duke a book for a birthday present, Ford growled, “He’s got a book!”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/books/review/scott-eymans-john-wayne-the-life-and-legend.html?ref=books&_r=0

That guy Eyman is a pretty good writer. Recommend his book about the transition to the sound era.

Read the intro to this book right now and it definitely looks like a keeper. Don't know whether I search should recent book about The Searchers first.

Just came across this long piece on tcm about Woody Strode which contains some good stories about Wayne and Ford and is obviously interesting in itself.

Any love for John Wayne as Genghis Khan in the Conqueror? Reminiscent (in a specific way) of Sean Connery as the Arab lead in those couple of movies from the'70s: badly out of place accent meets absurd ethnic mismatch and both are ignored by whoever is making the decisions. I remember the writing being pretty busted as well. It's great

Guy who wrote the book on The Searchers calls this book "entertaining" in the Washington Post today:
http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-wayne-the-life-and-legend-by-scott-eyman/2014/04/04/f3cc6dc2-af84-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html
Link for tcm Woody Strode bio: http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/333896%7C0/Woody-Strode-8-5.html

Just came across this long piece on tcm about Woody Strode which contains some good stories about Wayne and Ford and is obviously interesting in itself.

― Tompall Tudor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:34 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ford had the hots for woody strode

or maybe he had the hots for woody's trode, i can't recall

Searchers book is a Kindle daily deal today.

more on the book, and Duke's bank commercial shot by Haskell Wexler

http://www.filmcomment.com/entry/book-review-john-wayne-the-life-and-legend

Love how the bio starts off with that passage from The Moviegoer.

anyone seen this Ozark moonshine Technicolor drama (1941, Henry Hathaway)? With Harry Carey as Christ.

http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/film_screenings/23975

^This is a surprisingly poetic and strange film, based on a quasi-religious best seller of 1907 (this was at least the third film adap)... The Wayne-Harry Carey relationship at the core is quite powerful, getting juice from the fact that HC was the John Wayne of the teens and '20s. Also Beulah Bondi plays a blackhearted matriarch instead of one of her warm ones, and Ward Bond fights JW eleven years before the famous one.

(there is a DVD in a Wayne set)

^^I'he got that (budget) set in a pile of the unwatched somewhere. Also includes The Conqueror, Jet Pilot, and a couple other westerns.

Ah yes...

$5:

John Wayne: The Franchise Collection (budget bundle from Universal; contains Seven Sinners (w/Dietrich), The Shepherd of The Hills (Wayne as a moonshiner), Pittsburgh (w/Dietrich & Randolph Scott), The Conqueror (oh yeah), & Jet Pilot (a semi-legendary nutso anti-commie feature helmed by Hughes/Von Sternberg, co-staring Janet Leigh as a comely Russian pilot/spy--Truffaut paraised it in The Films In My Life)).

― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, July 3, 2011 10:10 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hope it's a decent transfer, the color was KO even in a not-mint print.

These screengrabs look nice: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews22/john_wayne_american_icon_collection.htm#shepherd

Thanks for the ideas.

btw Ford was either slow or bullshitting when he said he didnt know JW could act until Red River. He's fine here.

Wayne's acting is pretty economical of postures, gestures, facial expressions and vocal inflections. They're easy to miss.

btw Ford was either slow or bullshitting when he said he didnt know JW could act until Red River. He's fine here.

― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 7:57 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ford was famous for insulting wayne (though not as much as he insulted ward bond) and i get the feeling that statement was kind of an insult above all else.

ain't that right, pappy?

Wayne has never been less than credible in every one of his major films (I guess The Alamo is major). Watching In Harm's Way for the first time during the holiday break, I was moved by how quiet and courtly he can be.

in harm's way is a great film

might be the only great film produced by a studio in 1965, actually.

tbh i think the idea that john wayne was a bad actor is mainly popular with ppl who have never watched a john wayne movie

and from decades of terrible imitations/lampoons.

in harm's way is a great film

― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:09 PM

I like Bunny Lake is Missing but I thought Preminger's thread snapped with The Cardinal. I checked it out, ready to face some ponderosity, but no! The editing rhythm was beautiful and the elisions almost Ozu-like.

yeah, i was surprised by it, too. bunny lake is missing is a masterpiece... until the ending, which is hasty and something of a letdown.

I like a lot of things in IHW and Bunny, but neither really works for me.

Two extraordinary things about Hondo, his OK 3D western directed by John Farrow:

He and Geraldine Page (her film debut) play really well together.

Wayne describes his character as part Indian. That has to be the only time.

Saw it years ago and, yeah, their pairing was odd and persuasive -- a bit like Wayne and Clift.

Just finished the Scott Eyman bio: excellent.

The above encouraged me to (re-)watch Wake of the Red Witch, which should be considered one of Wayne's better ones. He's terse and mean in this, perhaps uncustomarily cruel. It's a bit convoluted in construction and the action scenes are awkward, but the dialogue has a real bite to it. Gail Russell is not much of an actress but has a truly otherworldly look at least.

Took a look at Hondo also and one can see why it was a favorite of Wayne's. It seems to effectively condense his ideas about the West and it also looks great. Maybe a little too simple to be a great film though.

^carrying on...

Saw a 35mm print of Wake of the Red Witch (1948) last night at a (second) retro of Republic studio films restored by the Film Foundation; it was introduced by Martin Scorsese, who pegged it (occasionally quoting his cinephile pal Bertrand Tavernier) as a "heightened" romance with "a fight with a giant octopus" "influenced by the Brontes." (or, Wuthering Heights at Sea.) Luther Adler plays Wayne's antagonist, a South Pacific shipping magnate and romantic rival for Gail Russell, for all he's worth. Very strange, but certainly gives the lie to the idea that Wayne didn't play any unhinged sadists before The Searchers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMamNIofWBU

(rumor has it the rubber octopus was the one later stolen by Ed Wood)

thought this piece was superb:

https://lithub.com/on-john-wayne-cancel-culture-and-the-art-of-problematic-artists/

yes! a very thoughtful performance in a fairly rambunctious movie

I got into a dispute with a friend in the neighborhood yesterday when he told me that he never watches “those kind of Westerns,” because John Wayne was “a cartoon” and “not cool like Clint.”

I finally remembered that he had actually gone to film school but seemed to be one of those Film Bros we have talked about.

But not after I had already started to go full-on Ethan Edwards on him, saying “Maybe not according to what you believe, but according to what that Comanche believes!”

I misquoted it slightly. Time for another rewatch soon I guess.