Which film critics do you trust (if any?)

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There is a blog devoted to parsing Armond, right or wrong:

http://armonddangerous.blogspot.com/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

that better-than list was pretty interesting. maybe i have start paying attention to this dude again.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

if only it didn't have white text over black, this could be the next Fire Joe Morgan

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i think every other armond white review has a line where he does a horrible pun on the movie's title. "This movie is an example of (x). Call it: 'De-Volver'". or something

‘•’u (gear), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"Oliver Stone's film was a great act of empathy and facilitated catharsis. Those who saw it were healed..."

‘•’u (gear), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

oh god i clicked on a film thread

tony conrad schnitzler (sanskrit), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

This is splendid:

And we'll never know -- unless he chooses to elaborate on it elsewhere or at some late date -- what exactly Armond means when he describes Children of Men's aesthetic as "resembling the surreally distanced, uninterrupted viewpoint of a videogame." Which videogames? Certainly not first-person shooter videogames (which Elephant mimics at one moment in order to make a connection to the fps games the teenage killers play at home) because the film's celebrated long takes are not pov shots. The long takes' panoptical surveys -- with action occurring on multiple planes and often disappearing beyond the scope of the lens -- would only resemble videogame aesthetics for the most unsophisticated and -- dare we say -- cynical viewer. For one thing, the moviegoer cannot interact with the image in the same way a videogame player can -- an obvious point that White conveniently ignores. For another, the film maintains spatial integrity in presenting and exploring its realistic environments, an integrity that stands in sharp contrast to the comic book nonsense of V for Vendetta, the film that Armond White compares to Children of Men without properly explaining thier distinctions.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

oh no, not cynicism!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

people like the guy cuz he's a bitch, but he's a willfully obtuse hack writer

‘•’u (gear), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

would only resemble videogame aesthetics for the most unsophisticated and -- dare we say -- cynical viewer

seems like this guy makes the leap that "resembling a videogame" automatically = "shitty movie"

I thought parts of CoM were gamelike in a good way

dmr (Renard), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

haha my emoticon up top! i wz starin at it for three or four mins b4 i twigged

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i hated him because he was a bitch, but not i'm starting to think he may be a pretty good critic

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

he can be a pretty great contrarian but too often that's all he is (it's his M.O. as proven by that foolhardy "better than" list) - he's got me thinking quite a bit and nodding in fierce agreement more than any other critic other than, maybe, Gilbert Adair but when it comes to praising stuff like "world trade center" you have to cut him loose. i enjoy his writing but i don't think even he really believes more than about 50% of what he writes.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

other

btw i really like that blog!

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

from the blog's comments section:

Anonymous said...
Rivette is a bore.

January 10, 2007 12:19 PM

C'mon Morbius at least sign your name to it! besides doesn't it bore you to say how boring he is all the time?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

His expectations of liberal filmgoers (and filmmakers) is too chimerical if not incoherent to take seriously. I mean, this is a man who takes Stanley Kramer's politics seriously, never mind his films.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

what are 'chimerical expectations' exactly?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"i expect this lion to have the head of a goat" -- it is an expectation which only makes sense if your view of what exists (ie chimeras) is wack

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

well in that case i must not take him seriously.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought parts of CoM were gamelike in a good way

hahah the accidental truth revealed!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Jed, wasting more than 4 words on Rivette, never mind registering to sign my name (what name? Dr Morbius?), would bore me.

Alfred, what were Stanley Kramer's politics, aside from decent mainstream liberalism of his era?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Lou Lummenick, you are an idiot. I mean, obviously he sucks, but.. i mean
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12292006/entertainment/movies/a_maze_ing_movies_lou_lumenick.htm

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:11 (seventeen years ago) link

From the beginning of cinema, film artists working in the new medium understood that its strength was not in straight narrative, something literature or the theatre could do better.

Good lord that's a wrong sentence.

chap (chap), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

on so many levels. if anything it'd probably be more accurate to say 'from the beginning of cinema, film artists tried to find ways of contructing narratives.'

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
What every film critic should know

Well, I knew I wasn't one.


They should know their jidai-geki from their gendai-geki, be familiar with the Kuleshov Effect and Truffaut's "Une certain tendance du cinéma français", know what the 180-degree rule is and the meaning of "suture".

They should have read Sergei Eisenstein's The Film Sense and Film Form and the writings of Bela Balasz, André Bazin, Siegfried Kracauer, Roland Barthes, Christian Metz and Serge Daney.

They should have seen Jean-Luc Godard's Histoire du Cinema, and every film by Carl Dreyer, Robert Bresson, Jean Renoir, Luis Buñuel and Ingmar Bergman, as well as those of Jean-Marie Straub and Danielle Huillet, and at least one by Germaine Dulac, Marcel L'Herbier, Mrinal Sen, Marguerite Duras, Mikio Naruse, Jean Eustache and Stan Brakhage. They should be well versed in Russian constructivism, German expressionism, Italian neo-realism, Cinema Novo, La Nouvelle Vague and the Dziga Vertov group.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

They should be well versed in Russian constructivism, German expressionism, Italian neo-realism, Cinema Novo, La Nouvelle Vague and the Dziga Vertov group

Not much different from an English grad degree!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"I believe that every film critic should know, say, the difference between a pan and a dolly shot, a fill and key light, direct and reflected sound, the signified and the signifier, diegetic and non-diegetic music, and how both a tracking shot and depth of field can be ideological."

what the fuck is reflected sound? srsly. but anyway the guy is fairly obviously a 70s throwback.

imo film critics

They should know their Bill Pullman from their Bill Paxton, be familiar with the Vertigo shot and Beynayoun's "Les Enfants du Paradigm", know what the truffle-shuffle is and the meaning of "blue steel".

They should have read Paul Rotha's 'The Film Till Now' and the writings of Raymond Durgnat, Michel Ciment, Edgar Morin, David Bordwell, William Empson and Manny Farber.

They should have seen Michael Mann's 'Crime Story', and every film by Alain Resnais, Andy Warhol, Stanley Kubrick, Francesco Rosi and Humphrey Jennings, as well as those of the Berwick Street Film Collective, and at least one by Wong Kar Wai, Jim McBride, Antoine Fuqua, Thorold Dickinson, Olivier Assayas, Jonas Mekas and William Klein. They should be well versed in British documentarism, the New American Cinema, the Frat Pack, the Left Bank Group, London Filmmakers Co-op and SLON.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't care what film critics know or don't know. I don't care whether or not their tastes are similar to mine. I don't even need them to get the basic facts right.

I want them to write well, in a manner that somehow engages my interest. And I want their writing to cause me to think about things that would never occur to me otherwise. That's it.

Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

it's all very arbitrary in the end--academic film studies are not the same thing as film criticism, though there is overlap; but ye gods a qualification in film studies in no way qualifies you to write about film professionally. not really sure what it *does* qualify you for, but this guy is equally confused, mixing up technical terms about filmmaking (180-degree rule -- does anyone even follow this rule now? they don't on 'the shield') and structuralist bullshit (signifier/signified). radically different discourses involved. and he doesn't see it.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Beales OTM

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I just wanna know HOW you see all the Straub-Huillet films.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i dont think i read ANY film critics anymore. this saddens me.

ryan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Thorold Dickinson

Heh, I love that original Gaslight.

I know *about* most of that film theory stuff -- I just keep forgetting what the Kuleshov effect is called -- but reading an entire book of it, even by Eisenstein, is too daunting for me.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"I just wanna know HOW you see all the Straub-Huillet films.

Dr Morbius on Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:06 (14 minutes ago)"

well this is the thing. i've had my eye out for them for i guess about five or six years. in that time in london, an art-house capital, the back film has played, and one of the later ones ('moses and aaron'?) but nothing else, literally. the back film and one short thing from '68 exist on dvd. and i'd assume this dude isn't so keen on dvds.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

when i say 'played' i mean 'played about once to an audience of about 30.'

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think all film folx should watch Grease 2. Also all non-film folx.

Abbott, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"WHY DON'T I GET NO RESPECT?"

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Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

ILX! /sarcasm

stevienixed, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I somehow missed the douche-iness of the articles Enrique linked last month.

Eric H., Wednesday, 28 March 2007 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Dennis Lim, ex-Voice film ed, to supervise new film site/database

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Rob Nelson latest casualty of Village Voice Media bloodbath

Eric H., Monday, 27 August 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Margaret Pomeranz and David Stratton

S-, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:04 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Good if long Edelstein interview (thanks to Scott Woods). Revelations: Dustin Hoffman's overrated, Josh Hartnett isn't used enough, and this:

probably shouldn’t say this, but I really appreciated Jackie Brown, really appreciated its beauty and magnificence when I saw it high. I hadn’t seen it high the first time and I loved it. When I saw it high I never wanted it to end. It was the ultimate stoner movie. The violence in the movie was for the most part off-camera, for the most part pretty upsetting in its implications. In no way are you supposed to get off on the violence in that movie. [The violence] is absurd, it’s sudden, it’s horrific. Even Samuel L. Jackson’s death is presented as a betrayal. And the death of Robert De Niro is disgusting. And obviously the death of Bridget Fonda is hauntingly absurd. Poor Chris Tucker is the other one. I’m mystified by the level of hostility to Tarantino among serious film writers as well as mainstream film critics.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

morbius is gonna love that

s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

He's pretty OTM on Brokeback Mt.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

also, I liked Jackie Brown, straight.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link

what cinema needs is more josh hartnett

omar little, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Even I'm starting to get a little tired of the "omg why don't more people give Jackie Brown respect" thing, and I still think it's his best one.

Eric H., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i wasn't aware ppl didn't give it respect!

s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link


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