2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

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This is kind of interesting to read in the waning days of Bush's presidency:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

jaymc, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

wow

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

jesus

akm, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I do love that.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Kissinger looks like a septuagenarian's bunion.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Trading down from Mamie van Doren there, I'd say.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

so gonna happen

Simon H., Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link

that's not a foreign leader, palin.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

ok that picture is hilarious

Q: what was it that you and henry talked about today?
A: foreign policy

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link

:D

will, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link

l: "of all the shitty things i've had to do for this country..."
r: "wow! the big time!"

"goole" (goole), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link

have YOU ever met Kissinger??? well, HAVE YOU?

the valves of houston (gbx), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

FACE

the valves of houston (gbx), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I can see Kissinger from my couch.

brownie, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I can see Kissinger from as my couch.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/sakingsmore/Palin.jpg

gabbneb, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/palin.jpg

gabbneb, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

^^ in the tank

"goole" (goole), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link

http://programm.kurier.at/cont/upload/KINO/32248bambi2_1.jpg

RUSH LIMBAUM (jeff), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q9b8uu.jpg

////////YAY\\\\\\\\\ (ice crӕm), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link

ftw

hmmmm, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

how did we not figure that out before

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link

we did, it just hadn't expressed itself

i am the small cat (HI DERE), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I'VE MET KISSINGER

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

ive met kissinger

deej, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

well, shook his hand

deej, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope you've washed your hands.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

gave him the wrist-tickler

deej, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

George Will: John McCain kind of sucks - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

mccain lays out economic plan after obama says the exact same thing earlier this morning:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/campaign.wrap/index.html\
then accuses obama of stealing his ideas

akm, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

more palin pics, pls

rushlimbaumsworld (cozwn), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

http://blog.wfmu.org/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/21/palinnut.jpg

I hear her meeting with Kissinger lasted almost an hour

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"

-- Sen. Joe Biden, in an interview with CBS News.

how could anyone with a clue say this?

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

ouch, joe

"goole" (goole), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

And later, she went on to have her own failed talk show

Pizza Dalek in the Cult of Sbarro (kingfish), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link

haha Biden - always bring teh roflz

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

wow @ Biden

Put big bows (or small) In you hair. (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

i think biden misspoke and meant to say "didn't get on the television", but that doesn't really correct the fact that FDR wasn't president at that time either

akm, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah Biden's positively reaganesque there

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

he's vice, it's immaterial. however he does need to check his damn self

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link

"I'm Joe Biden, and I don't know anything about this message."

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 00:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Biden is trying to fuck up so that he can set expectations low for the debate.

yeah, that's the ticket

the only real micaroni (Euler), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/opening-for-maverick-by-digby-ed.html
Opening For A Maverick

by digby

Ed Kilgore over at the Democratic Strategist has posted an interesting take on the politics of this bailout. He points to a post yesterday by Patrick Ruffinni that outlines a probable McCain strategy for dealing with this:

Republican incumbents in close races have the easiest vote of their lives coming up this week: No on the Bush-Pelosi Wall Street bailout.

God Himself couldn't have given rank-and-file Republicans a better opportunity to create political space between themselves and the Administration. That's why I want to see 40 Republican No votes in the Senate, and 150+ in the House. If a bailout is to pass, let it be with Democratic votes. Let this be the political establishment (Bush Republicans in the White House + Democrats in Congress) saddling the taxpayers with hundreds of billions in debt (more than the Iraq War, conjured up in a single weekend, and enabled by Pelosi, btw), while principled Republicans say "No" and go to the country with a stinging indictment of the majority in Congress....

In an ideal world, McCain opposes this because of all the Democratic add-ons and shows up to vote Nay while Obama punts.

History has shown us that "inevitable" "emergency" legislation like the Patriot Act or Sarbanes-Oxley is never more popular than on the day it is passed -- and this isn't all that popular to begin with. All the upside comes with voting against it.

Note the framing of the "Bush-Pelosi" bailout plan. Very crafty.

Kilgore says:

For McCain and other Republicans, voting "no" on Paulson without accepting the consequences of that vote is the political equivalent of a bottomless crack pipe: it will please the conservative "base," distance them from both Bush and "Washington," and let them indulge in both anti-government and anti-corporate demagoguery, even as Democrats bail out their Wall Street friends and big investors generally. You simply can't imagine a better way for McCain to decisively reinforce his simultaneous efforts to pander to the "base" while posing as a "maverick."

He's right. If they go this way, McCain gets to distance himself from Bush by standing on the sidelines wielding a phony pitchfork while Obama, as the head of the Democratic party and thus the leader of the congress, gets splashed in all this muck. It's quite ingenious and a very possible scenario in my opinion.

We will see the rebirth of the phony fiscal conservative image before our very eyes as our brave POW hero, John McCain, takes on the great malefactors of wealth while the soft, liberal elites behave like toadies to the rich. It's a neat trick for a man who owns seven houses and thirteen cars, but in America, you can be a multimillionaire and still be a man of the people as long as you drink a beer the right way.

Kilgore concludes that the Democrats must demand Republican votes in congress including John McCain's. But I don't see the mechanism for doing that. After the campaign he's run, I don't think we can rely on his "honor." So, the Dems can ask, but the Republicans will find a reason to do what they think will benefit them politically. And that is to sufficiently separate themselves from Bush and the congress that they can realistically be perceived as the real change agents.

This is a very delicate and dicey political moment for both campaigns. The polls are tied and we are facing a crisis. In a world that made sense, it wouldn't even be contemplated that McCain could benefit from this situation. And it's still seems highly unlikely that he will --- he's still old and saddled with an unprepared running mate in case he dies. And he's still a Republican. But this crisis could give him the space he's long needed to truly separate himself from the failures of the Bush administration. It's risky, but he's a thrill seeking flyboy and he may very well do it.

Let's hope the Democrats are thinking a few moves ahead on this and don't allow themselves to be trapped into being "responsible" while McCain runs around like some avenging angel and demagogues his way into a victory.

deej, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 00:20 (fifteen years ago) link


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