you're a power ballad
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
vegemite raises a good point
― My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
the drums and the strings is just the way it builds to a climax, lots of ballads do this and the slightly bigger crescendo does not = 'power'
imo
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:14 (ten years ago) link
It's powered by Henleytonium®!
― A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:18 (ten years ago) link
I think of "power ballad" as more a marketing term than a musical genre. It's like when an '80s pop-metal band quiets down for an uncharacteristicly slow and melodic single that wouldn't be too wimpy for the AOR stations of the day but would be palatable to top-40 or adult-contemporary tastes as well.
― 574 srsly (Lee626), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link
a true power ballad is ballady enough to get you out on the dancefloor for a slow dance with a girl at a junior high dance but then rocks hard enough at a certain point to make going through the motions of slow dancing seem really awkward
― My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link
also you have to be able to picture it blaring out of a Camaro
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link
you have to be able to picture it blaring out of Henley-Frey-Souther's apartment.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link
jesus you guys desperado can totally be blared out of a camaro
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:35 (ten years ago) link
desperado has no power
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
xpost your camaro maybe
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
"J.D. Souther is the only one of these soulless miscreants I would've allowed to fuck me"
jackson too girly? he was a dreamboat to most.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
he's a ponderous fellow
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
And a hitter iirc
― i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link
i can't stand him. creepy
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link
would you throw ned doheny out of bed for eating crackers?
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XwouzFuEMKI/hqdefault.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2802/4291945493_6fba783e6b.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link
great album that used to sell for a dollar and now sells for $$$ thanks to the young and the hip.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link
So guys... I never heard early Linda ronstadt before an hour ago. This Capitol Years 2CD fucking slays in every way. Holy crap.
― i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link
Ned Doheny admitted in HC that Geffen was checking him out.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link
"a true power ballad is ballady enough to get you out on the dancefloor for a slow dance with a girl at a junior high dance but then rocks hard enough at a certain point to make going through the motions of slow dancing seem really awkward"
journey and reo rule this land.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
and that scorpions song.
stiiiiiiiiiiiiiilll loving youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
Cuz you know it's youuuuu baaaabeWhenever I get weary and I've haaaad enough
― i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:55 (ten years ago) link
linda ronstadt was amazing. i love her voice. would listen to 2 disc capitol thing.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:55 (ten years ago) link
still loving you is so great. would have loved to hear linda ronstadt sing it.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:56 (ten years ago) link
it's a badass power ballad for sure
UNLIKE DESPERADO
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link
i forgot about that doheny song title "i get it up for love". says it all.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link
totally. scorps kick ass on that song and still melt hearts.
I'm pretty sure we played "Desperado" as a slow dance at my school.
Eagles were big up there. It was even our mascot.
― pplains, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
Ned Doheny s/t is terrific, haven't heard Hard Candy yet.
You all nailed it - Camaro blarability is the key measure of power balladry.
― 574 srsly (Lee626), Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link
speaking of eagles friends always loved windmills by rick roberts. henley on drums/backing vox:
http://youtu.be/lRElZswFQMo
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
also good:
http://youtu.be/YrKU00PaMPU
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:20 (ten years ago) link
Is it just me, or does the string section hold onto certain notes on the outro way past their sell-by date?
well there's one moment -- the second to last chord of the song -- where the strings are doing a graceful ritard while the piano impatiently anticipates the chord, so if anything it's not the strings holding on for too long but the piano letting go too soon. but it's a cool effect!
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 September 2013 00:59 (ten years ago) link
in 2005, when I still received everything Rhino put out, they sent me the box of all the Eagles records. So I became familiar with 'em in a way that I never would have if I had to spend money on 'em, etc etc (that's hardly anyone's concern now)…
The Long Run is far away my favorite, and I expect to contribute to this hugely entertaining thread as soon as it gets to records I like/ have something to say about.
But in light of where the thread is now, may I refer you all to the first ILM thread I ever started. To me in 2006, "desperado" is like a Ray Charles song. so was "new York State of Mind."
TS: "Desperado" vs. "New York State of Mind"
― veronica moser, Thursday, 5 September 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
My god Hell Freezes Over rode the top ten in '94-'95 for six months.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:04 (ten years ago) link
"Certain Kind Of Fool"
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac327/whitcap/randyutc-1.jpg
http://youtu.be/JPsB__7MemQ
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link
IT'S RANDY'S TIME TO SHINE!
playing this on the front porch just now i suddenly got embarrassed and turned it down in case anyone walked by...
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link
oh god i think my neighbor heard me i didn't see them there in front of their house...
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:09 (ten years ago) link
"turn up the eagles the neighbours are listening"!!
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:09 (ten years ago) link
BONUS 1980 SOLO RANDY VIDEO!!!!
http://youtu.be/k3jFaDmC1t0
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:12 (ten years ago) link
This so strange, it's like an amalgam of all the artists The Eagles would've been aspiring to - the intro is pure Joni, it goes sort of uninspired Neil in the chorus, there're CS&N and power leads in there - and yet it doesn't sound like The Eagles at all.
It's pretty terrible in truth. More boilerplate r'n'r. The solo is very good and I like the oo-oos; the dual guitar at the end not so much; the bass is okay; the drum roll at the end is plain weird. What the hell is the story? Some kind of lame moralising, why are they glamorising outlaws then moving onto this.
The vocal is a bit horrible but at least it's got a tense kind of urgency to it. How's that, is it all fifths? Reminds me of the pleading in the Beatles' Dr Robert, though that was for effect, rather than the adolescent whine that this basically is.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:37 (ten years ago) link
i dare you to remember what it sounds like five minutes after you play it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:50 (ten years ago) link
"They say that he was craaaazy,The kind that no lady should meetHe ran out to the ciiiity and wandered around in the street "
this is pretty dire. I guess it's sorta clever that the second verse could be about a guy buying/practicing a guitar as much as it's (apparently) him becoming a gunslinger, in keeping with the "rock stars are the new outlaws" crackpot theme of the LP. Otherwise, ugh. I thought Meisner was a better singer than this.
agree there's a Neil Young feel to the chorus, but like eighth-generation Neil Young.
― col, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:51 (ten years ago) link
I disagree, I think it's quite memorable because of the vocal. But still rubbish though. Crappy lyrics too - "he was a poor boy, raised in a small family" - not going for the telling detail at all there.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:53 (ten years ago) link
i like the chord progression. everything else could use some work. still better than at least half of the first lp.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:57 (ten years ago) link
haha the vocals sound weird...like in a different key?
some of the verse reminds me of if Styx was country rock
― My Little Pono (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:21 (ten years ago) link
its really clunky. kind of ahead of its time though for 1973. by 1978 there would be a zillion AOR bands writing songs like this.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
guys like this. they took inspiration from randy.
http://www.popsike.com/pix/20120622/290732554815.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
fyi: that EP by The Deal sells for a ton if you ever see it. 200 dollar record.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 September 2013 13:25 (ten years ago) link