The Thread Where We List The People Who Put Kanye As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2004 list

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Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip/Usher/Ludacris

oops. missed this one. sorry.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

Kicks delivered to the body of a dead horse, maybe.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I stole your bit!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

err so improv = indie? ok

a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if it sells even less than indie, its indie.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Me! Me!
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 30th, 2004.

RIGHT HERE IN RIVER CITY!

1. Junior Boys - Last Exit - Kin (16 points)
2. Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse - Geffen (13 points)
3. Phoenix - Alphabetical - Source/Astralwerks (13 points)
4. Bark Psychosis - Codename: Dustsucker - Fire (13 points)
5. Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender - Drag City (10 points)
6. Luomo - The Present Lover - Kinetic (10 points)
7. Erlend Oye - DJ Kicks - !K7 (8 points)
8. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (7 points)
9. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fat Cat (5 points)
10. United State of Electronica - United State of Electronica - Sonic Boom (5 points)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, I forgot USE as well! But then again I think it's more accurate to say I just couldn't fit every album I wanted to in there, only ten slots and all...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

How about singles lists? 'Cause, y'know, I took those into account a year ago. When I first had the idea. Which, in retrospect, was fucking stupid. Do you want to be fucking stupid, Miccio?

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(See, it's cute when Miccio does it because he's being tee-hee ironic!)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

You know it, whiny!

Also from the ilx p&j thread, Raymond Cummings!

1. Graham Smith - Final Battle - March/What Are (15 points)
2. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fatcat (14 points)
3. Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse - Elektra (13 points)
4. Walkmen - Bows & Arrows - Record Collection (12 points)
5. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (11 points)
6. Fiery Furnaces - Blueberry Boat - Rough Trade (9 points)
7. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - The Doldrums - Paw Tracks (8 points)
8. Sightings - Arrived In Gold - Load (7 points)
9. Green Day - American Idiot - Reprise (6 points)
10. Yellow Swans - Bring The Neon War Home - Narnack (5 points)

Actually, does Graham Smith rap on the new album? He's rapped before. I really want to hear that thing.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, I'm sorry if I sound overly pissed off or defensive here, but That Whole Outkast Thing more than any other moment soured me towards the attitudes of the vast majority (or at least the loudest complainers) of ILM and basically made me more or less persona non take-seriously around here. I'm trying to reform myself, y'know, but it's not easy when I get the idea that the people I'm trying to have discourse with are grudge-holding snotnoses.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, what grudge could I possibly have? I just think token lists are kinda funny! And admittedly not all of these are as perfect as that CNN one. Chill out, man! Relax.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a good thing I don't have any Kanye in my list, I so loved having to justify my tastes last year. :(

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Not necessarily saying that you have a grudge, but reopening this old wound isn't helping anyone. I must've made a dozen enemies from that thread alone, and reminding ILM of what dumbshittery it was ain't helping any.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, most of my list is white people, but it's SIX different nationalities of white people!!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

nate for what it's worth
it was worth discussing then
and discussing now

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, if you don't like me reopening this old wound, you can lump it. This thread is helping me laugh hard and get through a very boring day at work. Get a sense of humor and stop worrying about your damn cred.

I don't have any Kanye on my list cuz that guy has one of the assiest voices in rap history. I kinda hoped (p.s. my token rap album is Bumblebeez 81) would keep people from getting defensive.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Quoth Budget Klosterman, so shall it be done

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(Sorry, I'm a dick.)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

And NOTHING can keep me from getting defensive. I'm like a shorter, white Ben Wallace with worse hair and a higher tendency to shove people.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, you're getting all Soul Asylum, you want somebody to shove.

and hey registering complaints about something isn't the same as actively hating, etc., etc.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, ALL MY FRIENDS.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

don't apologize, Nate, being compared to a guy with two national mag columns and a book deal thanks to obviousness and privilege is quite alright with me. I think the one time I ever got offended by something on ILX was when I mistakenly thought gear or n/a or hstencil or whoever was comparing me to Brent DiCrecenzo. I almost shot myself.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

so, what is worse?

listing the token rap album or just not listing any rap/hip-hop at all

i know that no rap album is even close to my top ten of 2004.

(i have trouble liking the full albums, but i love hip-hop/rap singles)

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

you list your favorite albums of the year and don't sweat it. yippe yi yay.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(t0dd, were you by any chance eating in a Burger King with a friend in Wicker Park last...Thursday night?)

.adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(because if you were, I walked right past the window and recognized you from your photo)

.adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

and if your favorite albums of the year are genuinely

The Arcade Fire -- Funeral -- Merge
Interpol -- Antics -- Matador
TV on the Radio -- Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes -- Touch & Go
Air -- Talkie Walkie - Astralwerks
Sonic Youth -- Sonic Nurse -- Geffen
Brian Wilson -- Smile - Nonesuch
Ron Sexsmith -- Retriever - Nettwerk
Animal Collective -- Sung Tongs -- Fat Cat
Modest Mouse -- Good News For People Who Love Bad News -- Epic
Kanye West -- The College Dropout -- Rocafella

then you might want to open a window

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

you list your favorite albums of the year and don't sweat it. yippe yi yay.

Most true. For instance, I'm not giving Miccio beatings for not listing the Siouxsie B-sides box set in his list EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEARLY MORE GENIUS THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING oops there I go again...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i never accused you of that, miccio! there's not many people I'd stoop low enough to compare to Brent DiC(k).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

There was no hip-hop in my top ten, or my top twenty for that matter.

I was too busy filling it up with token ambient and drone albums.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, Ned, my friend Jefferson was playing me some tracks circa Tinderbox recently and they're way better than "Peek-A-Boo" or whatever. I'm pretty curious to hear more Siouxsie. I only know like four songs.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

and if your favorite albums of the year are genuinely [list] then you might want to open a window

Nevertheless, I won't be the least bit surprised if all ten of those albums make the P&J top 20.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, very cool -- Dan and I will school you or something. (Dan's fave Siouxsie album is Tinderbox so that'll help!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Nevertheless, I won't be the least bit surprised if all ten of those albums make the P&J top 20.

Even Ron Sexsmith? Nyurgh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I just realized that my 'token hip-hop' album on my top 10 list is Showtime and that the only U.S. hip-hop album I really loved this year came out in 2001. I had no idea.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

holy fuck adam. i was hahahahaha

we had just been at reckless down the street

weird.

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Simon Warner, PopMatters:

http://popmatters.com/music/best2004/041228-warner.shtml

The Killers, Hot Fuss
Elvis Costello & the Imposters, Delivery Man
The Libertines, The Libertines
The Gang of Four, A Brief History of the Twentieth Century
Hope of the States, The Lost Riots
Amy Winehouse, Frank
Kanye West, The College Drop Out
Interpol, Antics
Patti Smith, Trampin'
Divine Comedy, Absent Friends

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

is there anything to kanye's album beyond the singles? unless soemone proves me wrong i will just assume this is the tracklisting:

"look at me i am in a funny bear suit (skit)"
"ouch, my jaw hurts"
"i r dumb (skit)"
"slow jamz"
"college girls be fat (skit)"
"all falls down"
"all i got at college was this backpack (skit)"
"jesus walks"
"i was robbed at various award shows" (new bonus diss skit)

artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

And thus the thread has been redeemed completely

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(PS Miccio: the "budget" part was supposed to be the insulting bit of my ill-thought-out spur of the moment insult. It'd be like calling DeRo 'Budget Bangs'. Which sounds incomparably filthy in the wrong context.)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

someone should do concurrent "people who put devin the dude as their token rap album" and "people who put madvillian as their token rap album" lists

blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

eg.

ames Blount, your votes have been recorded.

Your Pazz & Jop albums ballot was submitted as follows:

1. - Rio Baile Funk: Favela Booty Beats - Essay (25 points)
2. Dizzee Rascal - Showtime - Matador (15 points)
3. - DFA Compilation #2 - DFA (13 points)
4. Big $ Rich - Horse of a Different Color - Warner Bros. (12 points)
5. - Run The Road - 679 (7 points)
6. The Hold Steady - Almost Killed Me - French Kiss (7 points)
7. Mia/Diplo - Piracy Funds Terrorism Vol. 1 - Hollertronix (6 points)
8. Les Savy Fav - Inches - French Kiss (5 points)
9. Devin the Dude - To Tha X-Treme - Rap-A-Lot (5 points)
10. Infinite Livez - Bush Meat - Big Dada (5 points)

Your Pazz & Jop singles ballot has been recorded as follows:

1. Mia - ""Galang"" - Showbiz
2. Boredoms - ""Seadrum""
3. Gretchen Wilson - ""Redneck Woman"" - Epic
4. Cécile - ""Hot Like We"" - Greensleeves
5. Britney Spears - ""Toxic"" - Jive
6. LCD Soundsystem - ""Yeah (Stupid Version)"" - DFA
7. Jason Forrest - ""Spectacle to Refute All Judgments"" - Sonig
8. Mya featuring Chingy - ""Fallen (Zone 4 Remix)"" - Interscope
9. Alicia Keys - ""You Don't Know My Name"" - J-Records
10. Ciara featuring Missy Elliot - ""1, 2 Step"" - La Face


blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Willie Ames Blount

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr. Bill already suggested we do that with Madvillain and Ghostface upthread. Feel free, but I think we need to stick with the one the only the multiplatinum KANYE.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i ames to plz, you ames too plz

blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm so tempted to change my screen name to "Budget Klosterman," but I don't want people to call me Budgie.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This might beat the CNN list...

Gregory Conner, Tufts Observer

http://www.tuftsobserver.org/arts/20041210/top_10_albums_of_2004.html

Brian Wilson—SMILE: What can I say about SMILE that hasn’t been said?

Arcade Fire—Funeral: Ah, PitchforkMedia.com. At times I find it disturbing that I have a strong relationship with a website...

Interpol—Antics

Wilco—A Ghost is Born: Thirteen minutes of something that sounds like a room full of refrigerators! What was Wilco thinking!?

Loretta Lynn—Van Lear Rose: To be honest, I probably would have never picked this record up if it wasn’t for Jack White...

Green Day—American Idiot: This was the surprise of 2004 for me.

Franz Ferdinand—Franz Ferdinand: This album was even better before I heard “Take Me Out” so many times I became nauseous at the sound of its first guitar flourish.

Iron and Wine—Our Endless Numbered Days: Singer-songwriters may have the hardest job in music. It is up to only them whether they succeed or fail; they have no band to pick up the slack or superstar producer to save them with a new beat.

Kanye West—College Dropout: The rap album of the year.

The Hives—Tyrannosaurus Hives

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the kanye rhetoric is quite possible by far the most fucking absurd i've seen around any hip-hop record ever, outdoing speakerboxx/thelovebelow, outdoing lauryn, outdoing 16 years of 'nation of millions' hyberbole even maybe (ok maybe not that). all the rockcrits feeling icky about getting gop cooties from country and then rallying around fucking "jesus walks" is fucking insane. and anyone wondering about how christianity's been used to 'tame' the black man in america for over three hundred years need only glance at a couple of the hundred or so "jesus walks" hosannahs - "dont be angry / dont be fucking / just pray and pray again": ugh. i guarantee you if rove thought bushco had a real shot at the black vote or hadn't (astutely) decided "fuck the blacks, lets try to get the hispanic vote" then "jesus walks" woulda been the "born in the usa" of 1984. plus kanye's a shitty rapper.

blount, Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

So, do you kids feel like so many people put Kanye on their indie-centric lists because they don't actually like it, but feel like it should be there or because it's connecting abnormally well with indie rockers? Why?

Talent Explosion (Talent Explosion), Thursday, 30 December 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, how many of you like the same music as your wife/girlfriend? (Or, if you don't have a girlfriend, for "girlfriend" substitute "fuckbuddy" or "the woman you stalk.")

MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link


"Dom Passantino once discussed Jackass with Douglas Coupland ('that little guy on the skateboard? Oh, I love him'), and had to repeat everything twice to Jamelia during an interview because she didn’t understand his accent. His interests include gambling, swearing, and stalking."

Pardon?


MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

...

Come Again?, Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

lol

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 November 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link


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