The Doors: Classic or Dud?

But the fact is that your routine, as it were, seems to be dredging up old threads about classic bands, spouting some ill-considered and dare I say juvenile rhetoric about how they are awesome, and working down from there. Maybe you should sit back for a few days and read some old threads, as well as archived FT articles to get a handle on the general tone of the discussion before you post another rant. We do tend to get fairly agressive with each other on these boards, but watching you and Ronan go at it has put me off almost as much as the grand old days of Doompatrol (use the search engine if you really want to know).

The only thing I think might count as 'trolling' is calling yourself "Roger Fascist".

Julio: can I state that to say my reasons for liking things are "kind of superficial/cliched even" is horrendous claptrap. My reasons are fundamental (to me, though clearky not to you). About that rock verses rap thread... yeah, sorry about that. I thought it was quite funny though. As for the marketing tripe, you are assuming too much. Rock and Roll is not just a musical style to me, it is an ethos. Yet you are right - continued use of the word in generic terms is reductive. I think the soul comments are related to how an individual views music on a fundamental level. That's a long story though...

Dave: Thank you for the guidance. I have been happily adding to old threads, sure, because I take an (dis)interest in these things. However I think my humour seems to have drifted way out to the leftfield on these boards and my failure to appreciate how fundamentally seriously the regulars seem to take posts here has been very much to my detriment. Ah, it's my way to be dismissive but by the same token, I love a fight. I had a look at the other threads and forums but the classics or duds is to me the most interesting - it seems to arouse such distaste in people.

Ronan: You seem to have a very big problem with me old chap. Still, the feeling is reciprocal so it's alright - I think you don't know what you're talking about too. You are too keen to wade in with the personal attacks though, you should spend less time focussing on what you think I am and more on dealing with what I am actually saying.

I also don't have a problem with revisiting classic old threads on a regular basis - it sure beats scrabbling around for the last few C/Ds or all that POO nonsense.

Wasn't Roger Fascist a Viz character, or is that irrelevant?

well, why don't you expand on it because i'd like to know. I want to get to what people's reasoning here.

''As for the marketing tripe, you are assuming too much''

It's a genre name that doesn't tell us abt the diversity within that...what's so wrong about this?

''About that rock verses rap thread... yeah, sorry about that. I thought it was quite funny though.''

I thought it was kind of misinformed and kinda 'funny'.

I'm not even going to bother to explain why, because I'm feeling lazy and there's no point; today's doofus hipsters have already made their Jim hatred well known.

Agree 100% with John B. as to which records are best. Funny the way their career arced like that.

"And then...she tried the second bowl...and it was too cold...and then...she tried...the THIRD bowl...and then...she ate it all UPPPPPPPPPGGHHHH!!!!"

hey diamond check out the other dors threads for more jim hataz type mentalism!

But that doesn't make it any less true."

Tom is reading my mind here.

LA Woman is probably their best, either that or the debut.

No way, you always get to choose sides with this. Much like fart jokes, you never outgrow it.

Exactly.

I do like "Touch Me" but are there any actual Doors on it apart from Jimbo?

"This record is many things - raw, fun, bluesy, varied - but it's not circusy, it's not weird, and poop it, it's not idiosyncratic! Any band could have made this album! Well, any band with a godlike singer."

Krieger was kind of standard b-level 60s/70s blues rock

Oh, for christ sake. Yeah, he wasn't Jeff Beck. Dude wrote "Light My Fire" - first song he ever wrote!!!

Nothing standard b-level about The Doors ever.

“The Soft Parade” is the first disco song ever, specifically the “Peppermint miniskirts” bit. Loop that over and over again and you’ll be disco-dancing fool. CHANGE MY MIND.

my issues with this band are widely documented on ILM, but i'm really enjoying listening to Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine, which i guess was a comp intended to speak to their jammier/proto-proggier side or something? like it has some of their big hits, but not their earlier, poppier hits besides, significantly, "Break On Through." and a lot more extended droney, arguably monotonous jams. so i think it paints a picture of the band that i can be on the same wavelength of. although lugubrious in places, and stops dead in its tracks for "You Need Meat" imho, it works better than their Greatest Hits that i dug out of my parents' collection as a teenager, which had those other songs like "Light My Fire" and "Love Me Two Times" and "People Are Strange." (i don't dislike them because they're poppier, to be clear, i've just never found them very exciting as 60s pop-rock songs!) "Hello I Love You" i think i like in my head, but it's really "Crush With Eyeliner" my brain is conjuring, mostly.

really was tempted to do another Honkin' on Bobo display name, with "Mister Mojo Risin'" ...but that's gotten so firmly attached to "Mister JoJo Rabbit" after seeing the posters for that movie at the subway entrance for six months.

"Weird Scenes" is a great comp and yeah it was specifically meant to highlight their more out/weirder stuff vs the stuff that was on "13".

You Need Meat is insanely bad, I'm pretty sure the only person who thought Ray should sing a song was Ray

"Who Scared You" is a great b-side on that record, and would have been better than a lot of the songs that made it onto Soft Parade.

oh wow this comp hits the spot

I started wondering last night: what songs from the original six Doors albums have never been extracted for a compilation? By my count, there are only eight:

I Looked At You
My Wild Love
Yes The River Knows
The Soft Parade
Indian Summer
Been Down So Long
L'America
Crawling King Snake

Two or three good ones!