one of my favorite things they did. lotta playback value since you won't feel like killing yrself after listening. unfortunately the original mixdown masters were lost and the subsequent 1990 remaster was terrible.
as a general statement their 80s stuff is best heard on vinyl, and the CD remasters pale in comparison, but that 1st EP is unlistenable on CD.
― this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link
ed what about the 1990 vinyl reissue? still from the same botched masters?
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 August 2013 23:38 (ten years ago) link
what's vinyl
― markers, Thursday, 1 August 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link
filth was reissued on CD and vinyl in '90, the CD had the labor EP tacked onto the end. afaik there was no vinyl reissue of the EP by itself?
the '90 vinyl reissue of filth is not that great compared to the 80s pressings, it has the same master as the CD.
― this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Friday, 2 August 2013 02:16 (ten years ago) link
GETTING TAKEN TO THE BASEMENT GETTING FUCKED TO EASE SOME TENSION
didn't know bob pezzola also played with these guys round the same time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B7_MeYhnWU
― cock chirea, Friday, 2 August 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link
ok according to discogs there *was* a '90 vinyl reish of the labor EP on young god. I never heard it but considering the '90 young god reish of filth on vinyl had a less than optimal mix/master, I assume the EP is the same.
― this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Friday, 2 August 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oeZmWUl8dM lol
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 2 August 2013 12:19 (ten years ago) link
― markers, Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:39 PM (Yesterday)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjf2qEFjgOQxiP9RRncu3hgQTJ0B_jhGF4Kq4T_RA9B0R0YQ8PXg
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Friday, 2 August 2013 12:54 (ten years ago) link
poor markers
― this gtr climbed mt. washington (Edward III), Friday, 2 August 2013 03:52
Yeah this is what I was referring to, I trust yr judgment if u have heard the Filth reish.
― sleeve, Friday, 2 August 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
i used to have the Speak EP reissue on vinyl.. and it sounded ok to me at the time... but that EP has a much more brittle, tinny sound that the first LP - which sounds like it was recorded in a swamp..
now i wish i never sold it, and the Circus Mort 12" I had as well :-(
― Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Friday, 2 August 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
I interviewed Michael Gira a couple of days ago ahead of Swans' Irish shows next week.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link
with those shows in mind, how loud are Swans live circa 2013?
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 4 August 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
They get loud - last time I saw 'em was 2010 or 2011, and I was glad for earplugs.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 5 August 2013 08:26 (ten years ago) link
Good interview!
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 5 August 2013 11:10 (ten years ago) link
Saw them within a month of seeing MBV earlier this year, and the two were comparably loud, but Swans were more physical. If that makes sense.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 5 August 2013 11:14 (ten years ago) link
Definitely glad of earplugs at both.
Man this looks like it could be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-gLgjV4SI&feature=youtu.be
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 11:37 (ten years ago) link
So uh what's the deal with ANOTHER 2CD set? What does Michael Gira have against editing?
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
hey, no complaints here!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
Swans songs-albs have been long for....fifteen years or more now? Gira has never made any secret of his love for Floydian jams like 'Set the Controls..', and 'new' Swans have been working towards that for a while.
But as sleeve sez, bring it on.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
i still can't get over thor's stupid bossy "how to live" listicleit's making swans difficult for me to like! how do i get over this?
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
Where is this list?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 00:08 (ten years ago) link
http://monofonuspress.com/how-to-live-like-a-king-for-very-little-by-thor-harris
― one way street, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
mostly pretty sensible tbh. I'm gonna assume the jerkier bits were contributed by she who shall not be named.
And why the fuck should we not all be excited by another two hours of fucking SWANS? bring it.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 29 January 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link
i should just try to forget about itit's not his recommendations themselves that bother me, but the writing of the list in the first placejust gonna try to unsee it
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 00:27 (ten years ago) link
haha I thought you were talking about the "how to survive on tour" list, hadn't seen that one
― sleeve, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:10 (ten years ago) link
I dont know why the list bothers you that much, I thought it was pretty good.
Had no idea Palmer knew any Swans people.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:40 (ten years ago) link
Other than speeding tickets and cirrhosis this seems... suspect:
16. PREVENTABLE EXPENSES - STD’S, ABORTIONS, DWI’S, LUNG CANCER, HEAD INJURIES, SPEEDING TICKETS, CIRRHOSIS OF THE LIVER.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
Drummer named Thor has no sympathy for those who are not masters of their domain, film at eleven
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, some of rule 16 was a bit odd. I think most people try to avoid head injury.
Is cirrhosis easy for everyone to avoid?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 02:51 (ten years ago) link
WRITE IN ALL CAPS, LIKE A BOSS
― paolo, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 10:14 (ten years ago) link
NEws of St Vincent and Swans teaming up - *falls down dead, goes to heaven*
― The Robotic Policeman II (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 11:10 (ten years ago) link
the list is smug, misanthropic, quite up itself in a teenage-y way unbecoming a guy of his age tbh
― rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 12:32 (ten years ago) link
Contributions from Amanda Palmer. God she gets everywhere doesn't she?
― doglato dozzy (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 12:35 (ten years ago) link
9. If you like booze, drink at home with your neighbors.
10. Do people favors. It’s called Cooperation. It’s how the world worked before money.
^ so misanthropic
― keiji cretins (NickB), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 12:52 (ten years ago) link
So the recording of the new album was fan funded but it's being released by Mute? I'm all for Gira taking control of his career etc, but it seems like funding a Swans album would be pocket change for Mute, no?
― Position Position, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 13:03 (ten years ago) link
xp
i'm not gonna get into "don't have kids" on here
― rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 13:05 (ten years ago) link
good point
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 13:08 (ten years ago) link
I think most of it was advice in an exaggerrated manner, I'm sure plenty of his friends and associates break plenty of these rules (especially about having kids. I doubt he sneers at Gira for having children).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
I don't want to overexplain this, but it's the simple fact that he wrote a presumptive aggrieved-sounding list of unsolicited advice -- it's that impulse that repulses me, not the content. Although that's pretty bad in some places too. Anyway, I am trying to say who cares and move on.
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
it's like the hardman version of "dance like no one's watching"
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
^^
― Squidward Ka-Spel (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
gonna go with "unbecoming for a man his age" here
another addition could be "work for yourself, don't be anybody's fucking paid employee"... oh wait
― sleeve, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
guys, it's nothing to get offended at. it's jokey in tone
― illegalblues, Thursday, 30 January 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
I found it obnoxious too but it doesn't effect my enjoyment of the band at all, come on LL. I dont think I'd want to meet any of these guys in person anyway!
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, this is Swans.
― the drummer is a monster (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Ok ok, I'm over it!
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 January 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Seem like nice people to me, but maybe a bit grumpy. When I saw the Swans a couple of years ago I saw Thor meeting someone who must have been an old friend or something, it was really sweet how excited he looked at meeting the person. For some reason this sticks in my mind.
I still think there is good stuff on that list (surely overpopulation is something that doesnt get talked about enough; science fiction authors were scared of it in the 60s-70s, so why arent there loads of movies about it now?); there is some advice about self-sufficiency that I should probably take but I'm too scared of hurting my hands doing diy stuff. For every time I roll my eyes at some obvious overfamiliar piece of wisdom, I think that there is always going to be some people who have never thought about it. I remember a girl on Devianart who was asking for help because her boyfriend beat her up and she blamed herself for it. The idea that she was being wrongfully abused seemed like a total revelation to her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
ha, i enjoyed that list, thor seems cool. my brother hung out with all the swans on a recent tour, had dinner and breakfast with them through a mutual friend. said thor was super nice. gira was kind of a dick but that's no surprise.
― marcos, Thursday, 30 January 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
Thor is one of the sweetest people I've ever known. I dislike lists of what people should or shouldn't do though his how to be in a band one was funny because if you spend a lot of your life in a tour van a lot of it resonated. the strength of that piece was that it spoke from an experience many share but that's unusual for many. I don't think it's presumptuous for a guy who's been in a bunch of bands & is well liked by almost everybody he's worked with to write a "how to be in a band" list, but I think it's presumptuous for pretty much anybody to write a "here's how to live your life list" well there we have it I've shared my opinion about Thor's list have a nice day everybody
― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link