omnibus PRISM/NSA/free Edward Snowden/encryption tutorial thread

that ppt is positively David Reesian

proud of greenwald/snowden/whoever for timing the release so well, so that the nsa had time to lie between each phase. idk maybe that's leaking 101 but i never took that.

in the comments of the story somebody's like 'hey why the hell are you giving them a chance to do damage control over and over you should have released this weeks ago' and greenwald said something very journalisty about 'it takes time to confirm and vet each of these documents yada yada,' but i do think its at least in part driven by what you're talking abt dlh

also, in theory, the public would be having a "conversation" about each stage of this as it unfolds.

this is seriously nuts. i'd assumed all the big revelations were out of the way. i wonder wtf's next.

let's just say the xbox one's pr problems aren't over

proud of greenwald/snowden/whoever for timing the release so well, so that the nsa had time to lie between each phase. idk maybe that's leaking 101 but i never took that.

― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this is kind of beautiful. it just means the credibility of the "intelligence community" is damaged over and over again.

what's even "funnier" is the senators and congressmen who, without any real knowledge of this stuff, back up whatever the intelligence leaders are saying at the moment. i would not hitch my wagon to these folks if i were a politician right now.

it does seem like with each round another politician gets off the bus, but maybe that's just me projecting.

E-Snow granted asylum by PuttyPut

what's even "funnier" is the senators and congressmen who, without any real knowledge of this stuff, back up whatever the intelligence leaders are saying at the moment. i would not hitch my wagon to these folks if i were a politician right now.

are Dianne Fienstein's aides resigning in protest?

Some media can handle only 1 item at a time. Washington Post covers NSA head Alexander at Black Hat cyber conference but I don't see a mention of the Xkeyscore item that the Guardian ran.

So if an American family was vacationing overseas and called their friends back home, spying in on them wouldn't be spying on Americans? Great logic NSA, that'll go down well.

NSA survived that vote in the House, they're not too worried.

survived by the skin of their teeth

writer for maura magazine googles pressure cookers, gets a visit from the jttf

They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing.

You'd think that if one team found 52 potential terror bomber plots per year, you'd hear about it.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden

NSA is giving lots of money to GCHQ, the UK spy agency

(A workaround for NSA to spy on Americans via a third-party, of course)

And here is a nice little gem:

Another pitch to keep the US happy involves reminding Washington that the UK is less regulated than the US. The British agency described this as one of its key "selling points". This was made explicit two years ago when GCHQ set out its priorities for the coming years.

"We both accept and accommodate NSA's different way of working," the document said. "We are less constrained by NSA's concerns about compliance".

this is enjoyable reading when contrasted against william hague's statements

im looking at earthtools and its 6500 miles direct from petropavlovsk to managua, (the nearest international airport in a country that has given him permanent asylum) and it wouldn't involve crossing any us-friendly airspace

that is well within the limits of long-haul airliners even allowing for a slightly indirect flightpath so he just needs to crowdsource the cash to charter a plane

In case it's not obvious to some what Nilmar is talking about: http://rt.com/news/snowden-entry-papers-russia-902/

And I'll add to that a quote from the article:

A statement by the WikiLeaks has revealed the words Snowden said after he was handed the Russian asylum certificate.

"Over the past eight weeks we have seen the Obama administration show no respect for international or domestic law, but in the end the law is winning,” the NSA leaker stressed. “I thank the Russian Federation for granting me asylum in accordance with its laws and international obligations."

saw sullivan making a lot of noise about how accepting russian assistance damages snowden's position in public opinion, because he looks like he's "defecting" to russia...do people younger than 35 perceive it that way at all? it seems like a holdover of cold war framing by old people to me. i don't mean that younger people don't understand the current situation with civil rights in russia, obviously.

it's a lol irony because of civil rights in russia and is obviously putin tweaking obama's nose but no i can't imagine, like, being mad at snowden or thinking it says something dark about snowden that he's going to someone's apartment for some borscht after sitting in a goddam airport for a month.

i think it delegitimizes some of the moral force of his case, however a) i can't imagine much more than the hong kong trip did, b) i think even if you aren't a snowden fan it's easy to see that he doesn't have a lot of good options at the moment, and c) probably his case should matter more than the person delivering it

eh I dunno can you get good borscht in Russia these days?

you couldn't for a while, but then putin came

it's spelled "poutine"

the google / visit from the jttf story is astonishing. this needs to be front page news. maybe it will help people get it.

saw sullivan making a lot of noise about how accepting russian assistance damages snowden's position in public opinion, because he looks like he's "defecting" to russia

does sully realize that russia is not at war with the u.s.?

google/jttf story is really, really fishy

yeah, without some independent confirmation I'm not inclined to assume that really happened

i watch c-span of theswe hearings quite often, twice now, and I get the impression of a certain type of universal incompetance of a kind of unsure future..

def makes u wnt2gt n2 cryptography

i can't remember much of what i was watching..

how is monitoring the internet/phone not a necessity for technological puriy if driving forcew of culture (such as psychedelia, questionably) are not in a harmony with it.. this is a general question.

i am for prison planet, as i would commit myself as a drug addict, but i respect psychonautical life whether religiousitily based or in the government programmes or //..

right now drug culture seems to be defeating itself in uyearning for technological innovation in a n untenable syhstem of pseudopsychedelic mind-based facets of a multiverse that may not exist if it's behaviour is as such... but then again i can see the myopic workism of a corpocracy being too... unloving, or not free. but then again i would call that a projection of the mind itself. the concreteness of the universe is probably quite spelled out in theory of the mind, pshychaitry, etc, so i do not mean to be too... naive.

dude

or even the poison of a negated voice based in symbol and abscontion, might ber the tru iissu

dude :P :-) :-b

suppositionally speaking

my favorite new poster ^

nonblog version of pressure cooker story. another one. weird passing-the-buck thing where everyone contacted denies their organization's role in the visit without denying the visit itself, which yes could mean the visit never happened, and no we still don't have any evidence for it besides that blog post:

A spokesman for the FBI told to Guardian on Thursday that its investigators were not involved in the visit, but that "she was visited by Nassau County police department … They were working in conjunction with Suffolk County police department."

A Nassau County police spokesman later said the department's officers were not involved. The Guardian has contacted the Suffolk County police department for comment.

In a conversation with The Atlantic Wire, FBI spokesperson Peter Donald confirmed The Guardian's report that the FBI was not involved in the visit itself. Asked if the FBI was involved in providing information that led to the visit, Donald replied that he could not answer the question at this point, as he didn't know.

We asked if the Suffolk and Nassau police, which The Guardian reported were the authorities that effected the visit, are part of the government's regional Joint Terrorism Task Force. They are, he replied, representing two of the 52 agencies that participate. He said that local police are often deputized federal marshals for that purpose — but that the JTTF "did not visit the residence." He later clarified: "Any officers, agents, or other representatives of the JTTF did not visit that location."

We are awaiting a response from Suffolk County police and the Department of Homeland Security which operates an investigatory fusion center in the region. A representative of the Nassau County police denied the department's involvement in the visit.

the whole point of the jttf post-9/11 tho is blurring lines between federal/homesec police and local police, "improving cooperation" etc, so feds saying "it was just local police" doesn't mean much to me unless suffolk county denies it too in which case huh.

im more interested in arab psychiatric torture anywhoo.

sorry, that's rather inappropriate, or apropos

:/

or off topic

note that the atlantic piece very responsibly uses a photo from the boston manhunt to illustrate the article

doesn't seem like a journo who would make things up plus they repurposed the post for the guardian, so seem to be standing by it?

way outlandish tho

Him seeking help from Russia certainly doesn't damage his standing in my eyes. I think the whole thing is largely a question of generational lines. For me the Soviet Union was a historical villain, it just doesn't have the scaring power that it would were I a baby boomer who grew up in the age of Cold War propaganda.

Regardless of what happens to him or how he is portrayed by the media or anything else, he should be content in knowing that what he has done is set an example, and that maybe the generation that grows up with Edward Snowdens already in the world will expect a higher level of transparency, legitimately delivered or not.

don't know about "regardless of what happens to him." i mean, if he disappears or spends the rest of his days in the clink i guess the next generations will have an example.

considering how powerful the US is and how many countries would be eager to execute its every whim, Snowden's options of places that would help him basically limits him to countries that are on the US' bad side

Does anyone want a job as an XKEYSCORE Systems Engineer?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/01/is-xkeyscore-still-active-defense-contractor-posted-a-job-listing-for-it-2-weeks-ago/

Have a look at the spy tools' codenames for other Xkeyscore jobs Cryptome dug up: http://cryptome.org/2013/08/nsa-xkeyscore-saic.htm

Haha. Love it.

Also, with regard to someone mentioning getting into crypto, lots of it is infosec which is a lot of Fed/defence/gov't stuff. so it's difficult to have any...um...let's say "impact". Of course, if you are looking to be the next Snowden, all bets are off. And good luck with that. Dunno. Very political and nutty/surreal.