posting this here just cause it took me a minute to find the full text,
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/obama-talks-about-trayvon-in-surprise-speech.html
― szarkasm (schlump), Friday, 19 July 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
well that's only going to fan the flames of white outrage
― the late great, Friday, 19 July 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah twitter has been a treat for a while now
lol i typo'd that as "for a white now"
― goole, Friday, 19 July 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
― the late great, Friday, July 19, 2013 2:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
when it comes to the flames of white outrage, Obama's mouth might as well be a bellows
― Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 July 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
the most racist president in all of history
― the late great, Friday, 19 July 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
just to go back to the comments box thing, i am half-convinced some of these comments box voter are bots. i was looking at the anti-obama comments on cnn.com and some of them are going up by three votes per second. i sort of doubt that many people are looking at the cnn/com comments.
― the late great, Friday, 19 July 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
Caleb Bonham @CalebBonham 10m Why did the Lord give such a divisive man the amazing gift of communication. Barack, use ur gifts to unite, stop dividing #TrayvonMartin
@DanRiehl: If you ever had any doubts, Obama is the first Racist in Chief
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
when will obama stop being racist
― Spectrum, Friday, 19 July 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
Time for a li'l fireside chat about PROJECTION.
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:15 (ten years ago) link
― Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, July 19, 2013 2:45 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbc, I mean from the point of view of white outrage. like nothing this he could say would be perceived otherwise
― Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
people are fucking idiots
― Nhex, Friday, 19 July 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
obama needs an awesome GIF of communication to calm the white rage
― kaiju rolling stone cover (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
Speaking of.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link
What a nation of imbessils...
― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
it is hardly fair to call him the most racist, he's only the most racist because he's the first racist president
― szarkasm (schlump), Friday, 19 July 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
I think the single most salient thing this points out to me, a middle-aged white guy, is that the first rule of white privilege is 'never be wrong'. Even if you have to double-down on racism to prove that you're not racist, it's your right and duty to do so. Every single white-hot, pissed off commentator out there is missing the fact that the President, apparently an adult, called for respect for the verdict and some national soul-searching. How is that not conservative? Rational? Patriotic? Decent?
― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Friday, 19 July 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link
^Stand Your Ground.
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link
ie., the legal doctrine has its own intellectual analogue.
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link
any true statement that makes a white person somewhere uncomfortable = "race-baiting"
― goole, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link
reminding others that non-white people exist = "racist"
― Nhex, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link
i also sense in all this a really striking roll-back of some what has served as one of the more fundamental aspects of moral existence: the effort (impossible, imperfect) to put oneself in another's shoes, to imagine for a moment the world as it might be perceived by another person, from a different perspective.
the "reasonable man", a concept consonant with the enlightenment, was always highly problematic in its application, but at least it upheld a pretense of objectivity (itself a problematic concept, duh). now, i'm not sure there's even a pretense. the "reasonable man" as applied in stand your ground cases has become a solipsist, encased in his own universe, "reasonably" obeyant to his own paranoias and prejudices. Hallucinations and motes in one's eye now justify slaying someone in self-defense. Who needs a panopticon when all that matters is what's in your head?
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
And team and ideology and brand and national and 'racial' loyalty are the only things most people can be bothered about
― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Friday, 19 July 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link
Are we not men?
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
Yes, it feels like devolution.
maybe we should start coopting "Politically Correct" the way the right coopted "racist." Like whenever conservatives do their bizarre reverse-race-baiting schtick.
― Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 July 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link
I like that^ Correct is correct, after all.
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
good luck w/ that
― the late great, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
geez
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 19 July 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
pooper of parties! thrower of blankets that are wet!
PC was already co-opted from the left.
― Mordy , Friday, 19 July 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
sure, but politically correct as a dismissive sneer is ripe for the repurposing
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Friday, 19 July 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link
i shudder to think about reading a book called "Politically Correct Fairy Tales" as a kid, seeing it later as an adult and realizing how vile it kinda was
― Nhex, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:00 (ten years ago) link
shudder!
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
wow even the NYT comments box is filled with awfulness
― the late great, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link
there are good ones too
Marc New York City NYT PickThe President understates the issue because he must try to explain but not inflame. His experience with being followed, or having similar types of encounters, is common for black men and it permeates our lives. I am an older black manager in an office in Lower Manhattan, not threatening in size or demeanor (and I even wear a tie), but I have been followed in stores, twice accused of stealing (while I was on my way to the register to pay for goods), refused service in a restaurant, told by security guards that I alone could not stand on a well known public plaza in Midtown, received irrational hostility from police, etc., etc. I had the police called on me when I was taking a picture, from a well-populated public park in Queens, of a sunset framed by the NYC skyline --the caller suggested I was taking photos for terrorist purposes with my average Canon SLR--and the police came and questioned me as a result. None of this makes sense. I don't share this stuff often with my white co-workers because they don''t believe it. But black males, many of whom have endured far more (such as my older brother), can trade endless stories. Protest is almost futile. Any miscalculated response can lead to our being arrested or worse, just because. The President was just dropping a hint, telling black citizens he understands, knowing that there is great skepticism, or outright acceptance of such conditions, by his white constituency.July 19, 2013 at 12:50 p.m. RECOMMENDED 436
The President understates the issue because he must try to explain but not inflame. His experience with being followed, or having similar types of encounters, is common for black men and it permeates our lives. I am an older black manager in an office in Lower Manhattan, not threatening in size or demeanor (and I even wear a tie), but I have been followed in stores, twice accused of stealing (while I was on my way to the register to pay for goods), refused service in a restaurant, told by security guards that I alone could not stand on a well known public plaza in Midtown, received irrational hostility from police, etc., etc. I had the police called on me when I was taking a picture, from a well-populated public park in Queens, of a sunset framed by the NYC skyline --the caller suggested I was taking photos for terrorist purposes with my average Canon SLR--and the police came and questioned me as a result. None of this makes sense. I don't share this stuff often with my white co-workers because they don''t believe it. But black males, many of whom have endured far more (such as my older brother), can trade endless stories. Protest is almost futile. Any miscalculated response can lead to our being arrested or worse, just because. The President was just dropping a hint, telling black citizens he understands, knowing that there is great skepticism, or outright acceptance of such conditions, by his white constituency.July 19, 2013 at 12:50 p.m. RECOMMENDED 436
― sleepingbag, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
^the REAL racist
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
the positive way to think about this is that if the president's comments hadn't provoked any racist bullshit, that would have meant they weren't useful
― eris bueller (lukas), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link
the "reasonable man" as applied in stand your ground cases has become a solipsist, encased in his own universe, "reasonably" obeyant to his own paranoias and prejudices. Hallucinations and motes in one's eye now justify slaying someone in self-defense. Who needs a panopticon when all that matters is what's in your head?― collardio gelatinous, Friday, July 19, 2013 2:29 PM (2 hours ago)And team and ideology and brand and national and 'racial' loyalty are the only things most people can be bothered about― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Friday, July 19, 2013 2:33 PM (2 hours ago)
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, July 19, 2013 2:29 PM (2 hours ago)
― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Friday, July 19, 2013 2:33 PM (2 hours ago)
^^ this, dead on.
― Plasmon, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/07/19/the_very_polite_conservative_response_to_obama_s_trayvon_martin_speech.html
― Mordy , Saturday, 20 July 2013 00:03 (ten years ago) link
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0721-20130721,0,6446588.column
Kass is such a fucking jackass
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Friday, July 19, 2013 11:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
another fantastic contribution to a serious thread, thanks for your effort.
― There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets. (stevie), Saturday, 20 July 2013 07:28 (ten years ago) link
xxx
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 July 2013 09:53 (ten years ago) link
I'd say more but I don't want you accusing me of ad hom and threatening to get the mods on me.
― There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets. (stevie), Saturday, 20 July 2013 10:43 (ten years ago) link
Very wise *slaps hand with rubber sap*
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 July 2013 10:45 (ten years ago) link
Shut the fuck up, dude
― "Post-Oven" (DJP), Saturday, 20 July 2013 13:34 (ten years ago) link
sorry guys, stevie otm i have been a dick around the place lately and this especially is not the thread for it. i'll absent myself.
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 July 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
guys, george zimmerman is an American hero
http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue-174553647--abc-news-topstories.html
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 22 July 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
cool
― frogbs, Monday, 22 July 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
Does this guy have a job?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 July 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link
Sharpton should be indited for federal hate crimes. Zimmerman is a good guy and willing to help people. He took a black girl to the school prom and mentors young black men and even, dare I say, voted for Obama which in my opinion was a big mistake.
― frogbs, Monday, 22 July 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link