use the google, please.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link
more recently, less noted, Kimani Gray
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
The point is opposite to that.
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
xpost to darragh's 3rd to lastThis case deserves special attention as a symbol of the moral bankruptcy our entire country has re:race. We don't need to just fix FLA. We have a laundry list of things we need to do if we want to stop young black men from being walking targets in America: end the war on drugs get serious about gun controlfight these stupid stand your ground lawsdemand better representation of blacks in the media (even seeing the trailer for Captain Phillips, which is based on a true story, made me ill yesterday. we don't need any more white fucking heroes fighting black villains)stop biting our tongues when friends/relatives/coworkers say racist thingsetcetcetc
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:33 (ten years ago) link
sorry, "stop young black men from being walking targets" was worded very poorly. more like "stop asshole america from treating young black men like walking targets"
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link
florida is a good boycott target because
a. lots of people across the country and world have already focused on it and would be willing to participate b. there is a fairly achievable goal/endpoint (getting rid of a law that even many people in florida aren't behind) c. its tourism industry actually gives people who don't live there a lot of leverage
ie it's a good choice because it could actually succeed, not because it's more racist than alabama or nyc cops or w/e
― iatee, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:46 (ten years ago) link
So how many poor black/latino people are gonna get put out of work before this boycott convinces hardheaded rich white men in power to concede?
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:47 (ten years ago) link
14
― iatee, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:48 (ten years ago) link
i think it might be worth concentrating on florida during this particular moment for two reasons: 1) florida really is out there at the front of the pack. with its laws and this verdict, it seems to have declared itself a hunting ground. 2) florida is simply the current focus of public attention.
i guess i'm trying to seize republican tactics -- take any chance to get people on board & engaged. symbols are powerful tools. small, symbolic targets are valuable in that they're easily grasped and communicated. better yet, they make huge, systemic problems seem manageable. if public outrage could be productively gathered against florida's "stand your ground" laws, it could perhaps then be turned against similar statutes elsewhere, against the gun lobby, even against american racism in general.
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:49 (ten years ago) link
Well, then, let's just set up a kickstarter for those 14 and start boycotting.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:49 (ten years ago) link
Don't mean to be a jerk or anything but isn't Florida up "at the front of the pack for race-oppression" because black people actually live there, as opposed to Wyoming or New England
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:54 (ten years ago) link
Black people actually live in most of the US.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
dayo's link otm, of course
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
Actually, this is more accurate
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
Mass is 85% white and is the most "diverse" of New English states.Wyoming I mentioned because it's the most gun-violence-per-capita state and it is 90% white.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:00 (ten years ago) link
Side question: is it completely nuts to wonder if the prosecution threw the case? Mark Geragos made that claim last night on CNN and Jeffrey Toobin (does he always smirk? he was unwatchable) basically said you're nuts. Still I wonder....
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:16 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
apparently the prosecution's opening was so strong that the defense attorneys lost their minds and improvised a knock knock joke, so I doubt this.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:01 (ten years ago) link
Racism is everywhere, and boycotts need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis in terms of their consequences (intended and otherwise), but I agree with contenderizer's point that id'ing a definable target for people to channel their energies toward is a smart thing right now. Perhaps the target needn't be geographic, but even if it is, it can still be done in a way that explicitly recognizes that this shit's happening everywhere. Civil rights movement was focused on the south at first, but a few years later we see it up in places like Chicago, shedding light on discriminatory housing practices and so on.
Personally I'm trying to figure out What Is To Be Done, locally (Boston area) or otherwise. I work in an arena where I can do some things regarding the capillary (as Foucault might say) manifestations of racism, but I'd like to go beyond that.
― collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:21 (ten years ago) link
Start using the tactics of the anti-choice crowd, and follow NRA execs and ALEC staffers around, bother their kids at school, put up posters in their neighborhoods saying they advocate murdering black teenagers, etc.
― it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
No place may be exempt from racism, and I personally do believe that. But in 2013, Zimmerman could not have gotten away with what he specifically got away with anywhere, just in some select places. Places like Florida, generally, with its confluence of nuts gun laws and (more overt) racsim. But would he have gotten away with it in Miami? Dunno.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link
CG otm, but this Boycott Florida thing is picking up steam and I worry that it's going to waste a lot of useful energy and momentum. Can't say I can think of anything better. How about "Boycott Captain Phillips"?
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:31 (ten years ago) link
by the way, guys, you want a reference point? Here.
www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_211
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:32 (ten years ago) link
JIC keep on believing these things can only happen in Hickville USA
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:32 (ten years ago) link
The florida boycott idea is stupid. The majority of the country either supports or doesn't give a shit about the verdict. Nobody's gonna cancel their trip to disneyworld because a 17 year old black kid was murdered
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:34 (ten years ago) link
so cynical
― the late great, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
I didn't say these things only happen in Hickville USA (which isn't that bad, if you know the right places to eat!). But the south just happens to be a crux of latent/real racism and lax gun laws. Racism is pervasive, but states like Florida make it a little easier to shoot someone, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:41 (ten years ago) link
The majority of the country either supported or didn't give a shit about the majority of bad shit that has proved to be worth fighting for.
― collardio gelatinous, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
fighting against, rather.
otm
― Frederik B, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
basically seems like you can walk around Florida accosting people and when one inevitably resists you get to shoot them.
this kind of fits what I think of Florida tbh
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP),
You can also go to Disney World and get a bluetini tbh
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:58 (ten years ago) link
"One sip, George, and you'll forget this following Trayvon business"
http://i1.disneyfoodblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Blue-Glow-Tini.jpg
bluetini actually a sex act available only in florida
― iatee, Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:59 (ten years ago) link
http://thegrio.com/2012/11/20/71-year-old-black-man-found-guilty-of-manslaughter-jury-rejects-stand-your-ground-claim/
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
Stop picking on Florida! Can we please get some Stand Your Ground related miscarriages of justice from some other states?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
Let's just boycott ALEC
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
Here are some good 'n's: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/top-five-stand-your-ground-cases-zimmerman
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
I realize ALEC's role in all of this, but I'm curious - did these laws just pop up all over the country in response to a feeling that the existing laws didn't give people enough leeway to defend themselves when they were in danger?
I just remember arguing with some gun fanatics about a decade ago who were saying the existing laws were insufficient and that you could wind up in jail even if you shot an intruder in many states, all kinds of shit that of course wasn't true but believed wholeheartedly by em all.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 18 July 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link
― Fetchboy, Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:36 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
now this i'm behind
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 18 July 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link
"black people actually live there, as opposed to Wyoming or New England"
Never cared for this kind of rhetoric because it erases the black people who do live in these places. It was only so many times I could be told I don't exist before it started to bug the hell out of me.
― suggest bando (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:05 (ten years ago) link
^
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:15 (ten years ago) link
How about we have just one day where white people don't make grand pronouncements about black people? Can we do that?
― "Post-Oven" (DJP), Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:47 (ten years ago) link
TAKING ALL BETS
― the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:49 (ten years ago) link
djp why you always wanna blame this shit on us man
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:50 (ten years ago) link
― "Post-Oven" (DJP), Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmbo
― suggest bando (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 July 2013 06:56 (ten years ago) link
Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist of all time
― SEN. MORBIUS CALLS FOR WATERFACE TO RESIGN (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 July 2013 07:03 (ten years ago) link
0 days without incident
― SEN. MORBIUS CALLS FOR WATERFACE TO RESIGN (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 July 2013 07:04 (ten years ago) link
nominate 1 subject, any subject, dare ilx to go a day without making a grand pronouncement on it. repeat until successful.
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 July 2013 07:10 (ten years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/djassault/the-glue
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 July 2013 09:54 (ten years ago) link
I apologize if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. I see how bringing up demographics of New England would be offensive to Rev and DJP and I am really, deeply sorry. My intended point was that boycotting Florida only further marginalizes the non-whites who live there. Referencing demographics was in reaction to "welp there's certainly no gun violence in Vermont" anecdotal arguments I've read elsewhere and it had no bearing on this discussion and I am sorry
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2013 10:33 (ten years ago) link
Wyoming I mentioned because it's the most gun-violence-per-capita state and it is 90% white.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2013 02:00 (9 hours ago)
this is not remotely true
― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 18 July 2013 10:39 (ten years ago) link
the highest rate for gun ownership but the gun murder rate is fairly low in an american context
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 18 July 2013 10:40 (ten years ago) link