As a total aside, here's a site that streamlines the entire process of filing a FOIA request to pull FBI files: http://www.getgrandpasfbifile.com
It's fun! Getting an envelope in the mail addressed from the FBI (logo and all!) is such a cheap thrill.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 July 2013 00:16 (ten years ago) link
this two-part piece on the history of the NSA and whistleblowers is a must-read:
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/nsa-whistleblowers-for-dummies/412c6c31f2a8081c10456a2f2c1087f345176369/
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/nsa-whistleblowers-for-dummies-ii/81bc80840972053356854f3ac8c87cc4834afb97/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:30 PM (Yesterday)
thanks for this!
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 July 2013 10:41 (ten years ago) link
i'd never heard of this mag/blog before, but that was a really well-written piece. makes me want to finally pick up takeover and finish it for good. interesting thesis that it was the shift from economics to reacting against the expanding security state that led to the sorry democratic party we've got today (though the author doesn't go into how the democrats managed to reverse themselves on the former). teaser for morbs:
That turn against government and towards market solutions eventually led to where we are today under Obama, the worst of both the national security state and austerity politics, a smoldering toxic dump of all the worst that the Democratic Party has offered.
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 July 2013 11:21 (ten years ago) link
It's run by Mark Ames who used to do The Exile with Matt Taibbi - quite a few of the writers (Yasha Levine, etc) are the same. I've been meaning to get a subscription for a while.
― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Thursday, 4 July 2013 11:25 (ten years ago) link
ftr, that sentence i quoted isn't representative of the article itself at all; it's an excellent history
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 July 2013 11:29 (ten years ago) link
also the article does address the left's slide away from protecting leakers (with the ACLU as the vanguard!) - i hadn't finished the last section
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 July 2013 11:37 (ten years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/07/05/french_surveillance_program_european_nation_has_similar_spying_program_as.html
― Mordy , Saturday, 6 July 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us/in-secret-court-vastly-broadens-powers-of-nsa.html
NY Times sums up how FISA Court gave NSA more power; and how FISA Court is selected by Justice Roberts and is largely a rubberstamp despite its claims of being more than that
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 July 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-leaker-snowden-made-the-right-call/2013/07/07/0b46d96c-e5b7-11e2-aef3-339619eab080_story.html?hpid=z2
Ellsberg editorial re Snowden being correct in fleeing
― curmudgeon, Monday, 8 July 2013 15:34 (ten years ago) link
Part 2 of Snowden interview.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/edward-snowden-video-interview
― oscar, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 01:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/10/196362/trapped-an-air-escape-from-moscow.html
Snowden’s best hope for breaking out of the transit area most likely hinges on whether he could sneak onto one of five weekly, direct flights to Havana, Cuba. One such flight landed Tuesday evening, another leaves Thursday afternoon. The main drawback? The path takes the plane directly over the United States, which could flout a standing treaty and force a regularly scheduled commercial flight to land.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 July 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
Has everyone else amassed hundreds of links related to surveillance states due to Snowden's leaks? At one point I was reading about 5 articles about or related to it a day for a couple of weeks. Then I realised I wasn't reading anything else and couldn't really continue. But I keep all those links and many more to read for later.
I'm surprised no one has made a repository for links related to the surveillance state.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
The NSA has done so.
So Snowden may just stay in Russia because its too difficult for him to fly anywhere
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/snowden-wants-meeting-with-human-rights-activists-lawyers/2013/07/12/237d5254-eac6-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html?hpid=z1
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
Curmudgeon, link?
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Here is Snowden's actual statement (far better to post the original, I feel):
http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
i think that's a joke about how the nsa has made a repository of links
xp
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 12 July 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
I can't imagine the NSA being objective. They would need some way to brainwash most of the people who work for them, so their links/info on surveillance states would be pretty bias and would not include one of the most dangerous organisations, in my opinion.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
ts: waterface vs crimsonhexagon
― k3vin k., Friday, 12 July 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Joking about NSA link list...
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 July 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
this belongs here:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/matmos-covers-bow-wow-wow,100019/
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 12 July 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Olaf Koens @obk
Lukin adds: 'He doesn't look very well fed, a skinny guy. But he has a great haircut'
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 July 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
ts: waterface vs crimsonhexagon― k3vin k., Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― k3vin k., Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
taking sides
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Friday, 12 July 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
eliot argonaut
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 12 July 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
ok, so let me get this right: the reason he's stuck in russia is that there's literally no flight plan that doesn't go over a country that would force it to land so they could detain snowden?
― the late great, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
ok, so let me get this right: the reason he's stuck in russia is that there's literally no flight plan that doesn't go over a country that would force it to land so they could detain snowden?― the late great, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the late great, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.
Man, what does the US have against this guy??
― Mordy , Friday, 12 July 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
seems like the solution is a non-commercial flight (like morales's) where there might be some flexibility with the flight plan? i'm not sure how that works.
― wmlynch, Friday, 12 July 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
With Napolitano leaving, there are now 15 open top positions in DHS
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 12 July 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link
_ok, so let me get this right: the reason he's stuck in russia is that there's literally no flight plan that doesn't go over a country that would force it to land so they could detain snowden?― the late great, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_I am trying to interpret your tone. If what you say is taken at face value, yes. But I sense you're trying to convey some type of befuddlement, shock or surprise. Am I wrong? I had written a rant in response, in case I wasn't, but I don't fully understand ILXor dynamics, so I've chosen to censor myself. --c21m50nh3x460n
― the late great, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_
I am trying to interpret your tone. If what you say is taken at face value, yes. But I sense you're trying to convey some type of befuddlement, shock or surprise. Am I wrong? I had written a rant in response, in case I wasn't, but I don't fully understand ILXor dynamics, so I've chosen to censor myself. --c21m50nh3x460n
I'm not sure why any reading of this post would merit a rant
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 12 July 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
eh no offense intended, it was an honest question
― the late great, Friday, 12 July 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link
from what i can gather russia hasn't cleared him to leave yet?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 12 July 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
_ok, so let me get this right: the reason he's stuck in russia is that there's literally no flight plan that doesn't go over a country that would force it to land so they could detain snowden?― the late great, Friday, July 12, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_I am trying to interpret your tone. If what you say is taken at face value, yes. But I sense you're trying to convey some type of befuddlement, shock or surprise. Am I wrong? I had written a rant in response, in case I wasn't, but I don't fully understand ILXor dynamics, so I've chosen to censor myself.--c21m50nh3x460nI'm not sure why any reading of this post would merit a rant
I am trying to interpret your tone. If what you say is taken at face value, yes. But I sense you're trying to convey some type of befuddlement, shock or surprise. Am I wrong? I had written a rant in response, in case I wasn't, but I don't fully understand ILXor dynamics, so I've chosen to censor myself.--c21m50nh3x460n
Didn't mean to come off accusatory, so my apologies to the late great if I did.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 13 July 2013 16:34 (ten years ago) link
Anyway, here is a video of Snowden's speech, from a Russian newspaper:
http://lifenews.ru/news/116311
― c21m50nh3x460n, Saturday, 13 July 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
How surreal is watching this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXXshWGrDEQ
I'm waiting for all the nouveau NSA/PRISM fiction and movies to come out already.
Just look at that lady's eyes.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Sunday, 14 July 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link
Had to rewrite the first third of a story I'm working on.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 July 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
Actually, I'm working on one, as well.
Hope yours turns out better than mine.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Sunday, 14 July 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Basically, we have to encrypt EVERYTHING
Travellers' mobile phone data seized by police at border - TelegraphOfficers use counter-terrorism laws to remove a mobile phone from any passenger they wish coming through UK air, sea and international rail ports and then scour their data.It echoes concerns surrounding an almost identical power police can use on the streets of the UK, which is being reviewed by the Information Commissioner.However, in those circumstances police must have grounds for suspicion and the phone can only be seized if the individual is arrested.Mr Anderson said: “Information downloaded from mobile phones seized at ports has been very useful in disrupting terrorists and bringing them to justice.“But ordinary travellers need to know that their private information will not be taken without good reason, or retained by the police for any longer than is necessary.”Up to 60,000 people a year are “stopped and examined” as they enter or return to the UK under powers contained in the Terrorism Act 2000.
Officers use counter-terrorism laws to remove a mobile phone from any passenger they wish coming through UK air, sea and international rail ports and then scour their data.
It echoes concerns surrounding an almost identical power police can use on the streets of the UK, which is being reviewed by the Information Commissioner.
However, in those circumstances police must have grounds for suspicion and the phone can only be seized if the individual is arrested.
Mr Anderson said: “Information downloaded from mobile phones seized at ports has been very useful in disrupting terrorists and bringing them to justice.
“But ordinary travellers need to know that their private information will not be taken without good reason, or retained by the police for any longer than is necessary.”
Up to 60,000 people a year are “stopped and examined” as they enter or return to the UK under powers contained in the Terrorism Act 2000.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 July 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57593688/greenwald-snowden-documents-detail-nsa-blueprint/
I don't think this Greenwald statement will help Snowden get a flight that can find a place to refuel (or make it past the US) and make it South, but who knows.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 15 July 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-snowden-dubious-present-174832824.html
In comments reported by Russian news agencies during a meeting with students, Putin noted that Snowden flew to Moscow on June 23 "without invitation," intending only to transit to another country.But Putin says the United States intimidated other countries against accepting Snowden, effectively blocking him from flying further."Such a present to us. Merry Christmas," he was quoted as telling the students on the Gulf of Finland island of Gogland.
But Putin says the United States intimidated other countries against accepting Snowden, effectively blocking him from flying further.
"Such a present to us. Merry Christmas," he was quoted as telling the students on the Gulf of Finland island of Gogland.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 15 July 2013 19:15 (ten years ago) link
The NSA article of the day:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23328074
"Fugitive Edward Snowden applies for asylum in Russia"
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-committee-holds-hearing-on-nsa-surveillance-programs/2013/07/17/ffc3056c-eee3-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html?hpid=z1
Dem lawmakers claim they will change the Patriot Act. Will see.
FBI cites same old Zazi case to defend NSA, when numerous folks have suggested that Zazi was caught with a flashdrive from which evidence was obtained--not via NSA data collection.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
Dem lawmakers claim they will change the Patriot Act.
That trick never works!
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
these people have ruined the internet as we know it, perhaps forever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/17/nsa-surveillance-house-hearing
John C Inglis, the deputy director of the surveillance agency, told a member of the House judiciary committee that NSA analysts can perform "a second or third hop query" through its collections of telephone data and internet records in order to find connections to terrorist organizations."Hops" refers to a technical term indicating connections between people. A three-hop query means that the NSA can look at data not only from a suspected terrorist, but from everyone that suspect communicated with, and then from everyone those people communicated with, and then from everyone all of those people communicated with.
"Hops" refers to a technical term indicating connections between people. A three-hop query means that the NSA can look at data not only from a suspected terrorist, but from everyone that suspect communicated with, and then from everyone those people communicated with, and then from everyone all of those people communicated with.
thanks Government of the world.
― man. pero man. man man man (wolves lacan), Thursday, 18 July 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
rip kevin bacon
― Z S, Thursday, 18 July 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't going to clutter this thread with so many links, but what the hay.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/nsa-admits-it-analyzes-more-peoples-data-previously-revealed/67287/
Basically, trails of phone calls are being monitored. so if A phones B, when B phones C is also tracked, and also when C phones D. You know, just in case. *George Dubya laugh*
http://rt.com/usa/obama-ndaa-appeal-suit-229/
"Congress granted the president the authority to arrest and hold individuals accused of terrorism without due process under the NDAA". But Obama said he won't abuse of his power, and all of us should believe him because he has kept all his promises since the start of his reign (whoops.).
http://rt.com/usa/carter-comment-nsa-snowden-261/
Jimmy Carter sayin' it like he sees it. I want to see a face off of Nobel Prize winners: Obama vs Carter. My, how times have changed.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link
And a bonus, TSA searches valet-parked cars without warning/permission: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S3101080.shtml?cat=566
(Slightly off-topic, I know.)
― c21m50nh3x460n, Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:08 (ten years ago) link
war criminal henry kissinger received the nobel peace prize in 1973.
― man. pero man. man man man (wolves lacan), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
carter otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
(insert usual chomsky diatribe about how all presidents are war criminals, especially jimmy carter)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link