the cowboys' bigger is bigger than your bigger: NFL week three

Re: Rivers

Between the two of them, Eli is still the crybaby/asshole and always will be.

how could he inhabit the Trent Dilfer role when LT hasn't been running the ball well and he's throw 3 tds in three straight games?

between the two of them, one of them has a Super Bowl ring, and both of them may wind up being Pro Bowlers this year.

i see what you're sayin but he's got a bunch of talent around him. as i said in the initial post, he's been v on point this year (fantasy stud fwiw) but it's not like a whole buncha qbs couldn't do what he does

omg why don't they punch kornheiser

I would tune in for three hours of Jaws and Tirico taking turns punching Kornheiser.

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He had to repress his skills to imitate my style

I was reading the thread in reverse and just assumed this was, like, from the LL/Canibus beef.

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was tony kornheiser just talkin shit about the bills?

If this report is verified, I up my bid to four full hours of Jaws and Tirico taking turns punching Kornheiser.

lol @ Eli Manning, crybaby.

GUYZ I GOT A QUESTION WHY IS BRETT FAVRE NOT IN THE GAME WITH JUST OVER A MINUTE LEFT AND HIS TEAM DOWN BY 19

SEEMS LIKE ITS PRIME TIME FOR FAVRE TIME IMO

I think it's quittin' time.

The stat about Favre having never led his team back from a 14 point deficit in his entire career was a real eye opener, I thought.

omg FAVRE IS A-ROD

yeah god forbid a player plays where he wants to play, amirite

All I'm saying is if he's Eli Schlobotnik:

1) he's staying in San Diego
2) he wouldn't pull that "trade me NOW plz" shit
3) he probably wouldn't have started in college never mind gone #1 because he wouldn't be ELI MANNING which might make this argument moot but COME ON GIANTS FANS

I'm all for players' rights & shit, but it's not like he was drafted by the Lions or the early 80s Colts -- last I remember, they had Gates & LT and a good defense and some decent WRs (tho maybe RECHE scared him off). If he didn't want to go to SD, then he & his dad & whomever should've negotiated behind the scenes to get that trade done before he ;_; on draft day holding the Chargers jersey like a used tampon. He can lick a million Oreos and beat the Pasties 25 more times with helmet-caught jumpers, but that wah-wah move is still 100 types of garbage. Curt Flood he is not.

Also, I'm pretty sure that a quick polling of Giants fans would show that they were wishing they kept Rivers as late as the midway point of last season (tho I'll probably get bapped on the noggin for claiming that).

didnt he say he wasnt going to play for sd and then the chargers drafted him anyway?

so with that and the shottenheimer (maybe his shit will work in the playoffs!) and un creative uglyman norv turner you have a winning franchise

yeah, clearly quickly and swiftly ended trade negotiations between an unhappy player and two teams where everyone wins (in a day and age where it is really common for players to sit out the entire training over, like, whether or not the toilet paper in the facility is to their liking and thus kind of screw over their whole team they already play for!) is a horrible, douchebaggy situation in which people should still be harping on WHAT AN ASSHOLE that guy was years later.

seriously fuck off, guys. and yes, jimmy mod is right -- he and his handlers were VERY CLEAR before the draft that his was not interested and was not going to play for them, so why don't you actually figure out the situation before you shoot your mouth off, dave? the chargers took a gamble and lost, they thought they could bully a player who was TRYING to negotiate with them into playing for them.

remember back in the '80s when certain very well liked and respected players refused to play in the NFL for years and played for the usfl instead because there was absolutely no leverage given to players back then? those days were the best, we should go back to them.

seriously, i'm sick of half of this board bringing up the eli trade like it's an unusual situation or even anything that was that terrible or like ANY of you are chargers fans or if you were that the chargers got fucked over (cf that ridiculous claim that giants fans wanted rivers "back"--that goes both ways, right? until midway last season, the chargers thought they had won that one!)! jesus christ, guys.

and that is all i'm going to say about it because quite frankly i'm pretty sure anyone who calls expected and swiftly handled trade negotiations "wah-wah moves" is a damn fool who is not worth educating on the issue.

THE END.

all i'm saying is that next time maybe you betta ask somebodaaaaaaaaaaay.

:/

Yeah, I forgot about Eli saying he wouldn't sign before the draft, though I have to sympathize w/ SD's predicament -- they have the #1 pick, they have a player they want to draft, and it comes out a few days before the draft that he's not willing to sign if drafted (most probably as a ploy by SD's front office to erode Eli's pro-NY resolve), but they were most definitely stuck in a shitty situation.

And, to be honest, I didn't realize about the whole USFL / NFL thing, so I'm just doing AWESOME on this front. But player / owner relations are totally different (and more pro-player) than they were TWENTY PLUS YEARS AGO and bringing it up is just talking about a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

Also, aside from all this, and even if you agree or disagree that Eli was in the right to leverage his situation to play for the team he wanted to play for -- his petulant draft day behavior was some bullshit (tho I can't say I'd have acted any better @ his age).

But I'll concede that I should've checked myself before I wrecked myself.

All in all, though, even if trophies are forever, it seemed to work out for SD (if Wikipedia's reliable @ all):

Giants received
Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received
Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

And really all I wanted to know was WHY IS RIVERS AN ASSHOLE which I fucked up by throwing in pointless anti-Eli troll-bait but really WHY IS RIVERS AN ASSHOLE.

guys who cares

anyway

I mean, Payton was a soft-spoken guy like LT, but nobody ever thought he was soft. Today I watched LT cruise out of bounds instead of staying in and fight for more yards and it made me really mad. That is classic LT. I understand that he's hurt, but Sproles would have picked up 5-10 more yards there for sure because the dude WANTS it.

― polyphonic, Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:10 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

was it third down and he was short of the first? if not, who cares

not taking unecessary hits is prob a big part of what's made him so durable & valuable over the course of his career

he chargers took a gamble and lost, they thought they could bully a player who was TRYING to negotiate with them into playing for them.

This isn't what happened. The Chargers had been trying to trade down all week, and they drafted Manning because he had the highest perceived value because they intended to get something for him, which they did. They had been holding out to try to pry Osi from the Giants, but NY liked him too much and they settled for the package described above. The Chargers never had any intention of making Manning their QB, and the weird revisionism on it is just strange.

SD might have considered him if he seemed at all interested, but the Mannings made it very clear that they weren't, and AJ Smith doesn't like being told what to do (to a fault), so he decided to stick it to Manning AND get some more picks AND get the guy for whom he had the bigger boner, so much so that he tossed Drew Brees aside like warm garbage.

but yeah why is philip rivers a d-bag?

i think the new consensus is he is not.

I think he's a d-bag because he's a professional athlete, and a quarterback at that.

i loled @ rivers trying to chase down favre and the announcers all like "rivers wants to shake hands with his hero brett favre" and brett's like "eh lemme talk to LT"

was it third down and he was short of the first? if not, who cares

not taking unecessary hits is prob a big part of what's made him so durable & valuable over the course of his career

No, it wasn't third down. I guess it's a philosophical thing, and yeah, I guess it keeps him healthy, but I don't like watching dudes leave so many yards on the field. I didn't see a lot of effort from LT last night, and I didn't see much last year either. It doesn't help that the OL hasn't played as well, and I know he's not at 100% right now, but he seems profoundly average. I'd like to see Jacob Hester get more carries so that LT can get healthy.

you know maybe lt's cooked - lotta mileage there eh

Don't think I haven't considered the possibility.

he might have hit the alexander wall

guys no. he's just hurt!

isn't sean alexander like 50 and lt is 27 or something?

Alexander is two years older than LT.

Alexander started to suck two years ago.

guys what are we going to call week four thread

okay fine

xpost

Rolling Patriots Season Into The Shitbin Thread

(lazy)

ally already started the week 4 thread! "it's the achilles heel of his foot!"

i am so furious with all you lt haters right now

I was hoping for "Primates need comfort even more than they need food": NFL Week 4.

LT is fine, give him at least till a third of the way into the season guys!

Who's hating?!?!? I see two guys -- one a diehard Charger fan -- legitimately concerned about the mileage on LT's body, and looking at a rather frightening parallel. If anything, it's more like "pessimistic pragmatism" with a tiny dash of "ON NO THE COMMIES" paranoia.

(xpost)

I love LT, and I really really really want him to retire with more touchdowns than Terrell Owens.

well, i'm not really furious, i'm just worried now.

I think we need to post that pic of Happy Romeo Crenell about 90 times right now, to offset all the bad juju.

i love LT and i want him to come back and finish with 1500 yds and 20 tds this year and a super bowl win over the cowboys (in which romo loses six fumbles and cries after each one)

lt cries too - also he has a hill in his back yard - he runs up it

last year afc title.. LT took himself out after a few carries, what happened there, i remember him just sitting off by himself the rest of the game. i really can't hate on rivers to be honest

He was trying to play through ligament damage and it was obvious that he wasn't helping the team by playing.

i'm not worried abt LT, cuz i saw this coming (*goony smirk*)

for real tho, he's on the edge of 30 which is basically 90 in runningback years, and to my untrained eye he looked half a step slower last year. being half a step slower than the best RB in the game aint so bad tho, and i think with his skillset - he's wayyyyyyyyyyyy more versatile than SA ever was - he should be good for a while longer than yr typical RB, even if he isn't quite so dominant a year or two from now.