Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

it's being discussed on the marc loi facebook feminist thread

which thread is that?

it's the marc loi facebook feminist thread

ah ok, I see it now, didn't know which board it was on

i do think that article is sexist though, because it presupposes a contradiction between seeing someone as sexy and seeing someone as an intelligent, autonomous person, which is a deeply weird thing to think.

He's trying to police himself for sexist behavior, but his "cure" is even more problematic.

IDK none of it struck me as too weird, but then I did grow up Mormon with the "just imagine Jesus" advice ruining my own early sex life. I think 'try not to have a constant pornographic internal movie projector about every woman you come in contact with' may be a reasonable goal (or clumsy first step?) if you are trying to see all women as people. Writing about it is kind of goofy but everyone's a fucking navel-gazer these days, even if the topic isn't usually gazing at others' navels.

Like just thinking about my interactions with random men throughout the day, I never walk away thinking, "I hope that guy thought I was witty and kind AND that he wants me to choke on his cock," like really just the former would be ideal. I wouldn't think a guy was sexist if he skipped the second part! (NB I defs don't spend my days trying to fill in others' internal monologues, esp re: me.)

haha

I thought it was weird that he was talking about how tormented he felt about his idle sex fantasies at the beginning of the piece, to the point where he calls a sex addict hotline, and then finishes up by going to a pool full of bikini-clad coeds and a mostly female yoga class. It was kind of like "I think I might be an alcoholic; I'd better drink these beers to make sure."

i know it takes all kinds in life, but, i feel like a dude who calls himself 'beta' anything has internalized feminism in kind of an odd way

mostly this dude just seems like a dullard

xpost to crabbits. hm, i wasn't thinking that his passing fantasies were that explicit. but i guess maybe that was implied by his use of the word "pornographic". i guess i don't know what goes on in his head, and i can agree that certain thoughts -- if they become obsessive, and overwhelm normal functioning -- could be an issue. he seemed to be describing just like, being struck by the hotness of various women around him.

When I was in Yeshiva in high school (~10-12th grade) I had a close friend who "struggled" w/ masturbation and used to consult with one of the Rabbis privately to get inspiration/strength to break the habit. Later he had a sexual relationship with another student when they shared a two-person dorm room together. Afaik that was the event that created the policy that the Yeshiva wouldn't put 2 students in the same dorm room alone (only 1, or 3 or more).

that sounds so humiliating, to have rabbis and classmates know about one's masturbation habits.

It's hard to be discrete about masturbation in a dorm room situation.

Denmark's 'naked lady' TV show causes furore

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kill everyone

yeah this show seems insanely sexist and horrible.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcroztE5jq1qf56dmo1_1280.jpg

Last week during a segment on breastfeeding, the host of the Dutch Saturday night show, Langs de Leeuw, suggested he would like to try breast milk.

An audience member offered him some milk she had expressed but host Paul de Leeuw told her he would rather take it from its source and suckled both her breasts on live TV.

what the fucking fuck

whaaat

that's not real

oh wow, it is real

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Phill
7 Hours ago

I honestly don't see how this can be taken as sexist.

Yes, men are looking at women's bodies but a man's brain is wired to marvel in the delicate shapes and details of a woman. At no point is anyone saying that these woman are only good to be gawked at, in fact it's a show dedicated to indulging the desire to look without rudely staring.

Where's the harm in that?

it's just how a man's brain is wired

if they could get their brains rewired y'know it'd be different but they can't

so sad, all the ladies yell at the poor men and the men can't even help it it's just how they are ;_;

it's wiring. wiring is very tricky.

how else are they going to appreciate all the delicate shapes and details

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/super_internet_yellow_wall.jpg

one big wire

daub daub

This is absolutely maddening and makes me want to switch genders out of sheer embarrassment: http://jezebel.com/if-comedy-has-no-lady-problem-why-am-i-getting-so-many-511214385

Re: the story about the Dutch talk show host and the breast milk, Paul de Leeuw is apparently a) very openly gay and b) kind of a creep:

During a 2008 episode of Mooi! Weer De Leeuw, a vegan streaker wanting to draw attention to animal suffering managed to enter the sound stage. His body was covered in slogans such as "Stop animal suffering" and "Meat is murder". De Leeuw stopped security from escorting him from the stage in order to talk with him. De Leeuw proceeded to pull the man onto his lap and started poking at his underwear, insisting on "seeing his meat". As the man stood up, De Leeuw pulled down and eventually ripped off his underwear, saying, "then you must properly streak; off with those briefs."
The streaker later filed a police report, although the molestation charges have since been dropped. Some parents were shocked by the incident as the show was targeted at families as well.[2][3]

Let me be clear: I don't believe that previously non-Jihad mosque members are going to take to the streets in a terror mob after hearing one anti-Western sermon. That's an absurd and insulting mischaracterization. But I do believe that Islam's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting fundamentalist theologies contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.

so "the West" is an analogous victim to "women"...

Good move derailing the sexism thread to your pet topic, Mordy, should go well, A+++++ would read again.

It's not a derail. I'm questioning a prevalent assumption of how 'cultures' work.

can you make your "questioning" a little more direct and less muddled please?

i don't believe there is any connection between jim norton or anthony jeselnik making jokes about rape and its occurrence in the population.

I don't believe there is any connection between UK newspapers publishing anti-Semitic cartoons and its occurrence in the population.

Also nobody is claiming a connection between rape jokes and the prevalence of rape anyway so

isn't that the essential claim of the 'rape culture' argument that west is making?

Let me be clear: I don't believe that previously non-raping audience members are going to take to the streets in a rape mob after hearing one rape joke. That's an absurd and insulting mischaracterization. But I do believe that comedy's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting rape jokes contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.

I'm not saying. I'm just saying.

I don't see where in that paragraph it says "which leads to an x% increase in the number of rapes"

Yeah that's not at all the claim she's making.

Essential or otherwise.

even if that's an argument you believe in mordy, you do understand you're defending the guys telling rape jokes for money right?

He's well aware.

Also, while it's conceivable, I suppose, that there could be a rape joke that doesn't actually express hostility toward women, most rape jokes seem to do so in practice. It's sort of like how if a comedian makes a joke about black people that portrays them as hateful and subhuman, the defense that it's "just a joke" doesn't really pass muster, because the "joke" expresses a real, hostile feeling about black people.

Like some jokes, in spite of being jokes, sort of require the audience to agree on a certain pretext in order to see the "humor," e.g. that black people are an unwelcome presence, or that women deserve punishment (if not literal rape) for behaving in a way that seems above their station in life.

louis and carlin have pulled it off but yeah, it's not like a red badge of courage or something. and the comedy central kids being discussed here don't manage to pull this shit off with any panache period