Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

nah, just watch that one episode (caveat: I have only watched that one episode)

far as I know it only requires Ace to come home to Earth at some point to fit with continuity though. I don't know where she's at by the end of the Virgin novels (planning to start reading the good ones next month!), if that's a problem.

ok hold up, let's ask a wiki (TINY TINY SPOILERS FOR NERDGLEE DAN MIGHT OTHERWISE ENJOY)

Liz Shaw is stranded on a UNIT Moon Base and cannot get back until Monday. The fact she's alive and well contradicts the events of the novel PROSE: Eternity Weeps, set in the early 2000s, in which she died, though in that novel she was also working on the Moon for UNIT.

This reference indicates that Tegan is still alive in 2010, despite having a life-threatening health condition in 2006 (AUDIO: The Gathering).

A companion called Dorothy(ea?) is said to have raised billions of pounds through her charity "A Charitable Earth." As the charity spells out the words "ACE," this is likely the seventh doctor’s companion Ace. However it could also be a reference to the First Doctor’s companion Dodo Chaplet, since charity work would fit better with her personality. She was also one of only two companions left on contemporary Earth not mentioned (the other being Melanie Bush).

looks less contradictory of audio/novels than the TV series often is of itself! but I don't have any expertise on this level

Mat Smith leaving after Christmas special

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/10093520/Matt-Smith-to-quit-Doctor-Who-after-Christmas-special.html

I think I'm fine with this. Loved Series 5, liked/admired/was totally befuddled by Series 6, pretty lukewarm about this last one...

yep, seems time for new blood

VG for the new Doctor

That's supposed to be embargoed until midnight... it'll be interesting to see what the public perception of the heavily rumoured replacement is.

i'd be an awesome doctor imo

We should start a new thread with Who12 speculation. The deal has been done for months i'm guessing but who knows when we'll know about it.

It would be awesome to have a doctor of color (Chiwetel Ejiofor, Paterson Joseph), if I were writing it I would make *him* be the only person distressed that he's now black, that would be hilarious (maybe only to me)

We should start a new thread with Who12 speculation.

Whoops -- adding to that: yes, will do.

Done:

Your Doctor Who No. 12 casting speculation thread

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But how do you REALLY feel

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:( :( Love, love Matt Smith, just wish his run had better stories overall.

OTM great doctor shit stories

one dimensional doctor shit stories

i saw a montage of clips from this season & it served as a reminder of how shit so many of those stories were

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22769384

choice

I heard this news the day before Matt Smith announced he was leaving, I thought the timing was kind of lolarious - "I want to be in a Marvel movie too!"

Or maybe filming in Michigan has been so splendid that he just never wants to leave.

...while we wait:

http://io9.com/the-most-exciting-doctor-who-rumor-in-years-513435868

I pretty much refuse to talk about that because if it turns out to be false I am going to cry for a year

omg

also DJP otm

the sheer implausible scale of that rumour (assuming it's the one that's been going for the last two months and keeps being denied by the main episode-hunter-guy) makes it ludicrous to even consider.

can you imagine getting just Evil Of The Daleks ep 1 though? The Doctor and Jamie go antiquing for 20 minutes!

3/4 Beatles not impressed

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part of me hopes it's true just to see sic speechless <3

Yeah a lot of people have been pointing out many of those episodes never aired in Africa... but damn, if it were true!!!

um apropos of nothing except: this happened today on twitter and it was awesome

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http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=media_news&issue=1342

eeeeesh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23267085

I can't tell if that's cool or horrible. Leaning towards cool?

That's pretty convincing actually.

The likeness is uncanny! I just mean the overall "the story of the creation of Doctor Who" thing; I like watching the actors talk about their time on the show but watching a fictionalized step-removed account of the show's beginnings isn't as instantly appealing to me.

Oh I quite like behind the scenes dramas, and the BBC tends to be rather good at them.

Though with Gatiss' involvement who knows...

I was going to say that I didn't quite get why ppl were so down on Gatiss, largely because I think Nightshade is something of an underrated classic from the Virgin books of the 90s, but then I saw he wrote "The Idiot's Lantern" and "Victory of the Daleks" so um yeah

I like the man generally, big fan of League of Gentlemen of course, but his Doctor Who related projects don't tend to come out too great.

I really liked "The Unquiet Dead" and "Night Terrors", and most of "Cold War" and "The Crimson Horror" though

The Unquiet Dead was fantastic, granted.

Crimson Horror ok, Cold War had some good bits and some awful bits, I can remember next to nothing about Night Terrors. Something to do with a doll house?

Yeah, that was the one with the terrified kid and ppl getting zapped into a dollhouse populated with creepy mannequins that would hunt the trapped ppl down and mannequinize them

Rings a bell, I suspect I watched it drunk.

Was about to tap out why I don't like Gatiss involvement in who and then realised it's more or less the same reason why I don't like Gaiman

Actually:

There's a whole vast population of psychogeographers and people who read Fortean Times and people who like Iain Sinclair and people who like Doctor Who, and the problem with these people getting their hands on a franchise is that they're not actually weird, they're just interested in weird things, and what they produce often looks like a checklist of things you'd expect to see.

Gatiss is one of these people.

The League of Gentlemen TV show was a patchwork of references to Hammer Horror, The Wicker Man, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Who, and when it worked it worked because it was written at a cultural-historical position - 1999 - where

a) a sense of dark millennial horrors was not out of place, but also

b) it was possible to look back on the whole of British 20th century horror-sci-fi-pop-cult and have an awareness of all these things as fitting a pattern, a pattern that might not have been so obvious actually *in the days of* Hammer, old Who, etc. And be able to laugh at them as being weird and old fashioned but also to be charmed by them and cherish them (and find in them a refuge if you were, in some way, queer).

The problem is that this stance of ironic distance is parasitic on earnest production. Even ... vampiric ... one might say.

It struggles to stay fresh, more than ten years after the first League of Gentleman tv show, as evinced by the piss-poor Psychoville and the annoying Gatiss contribution to the MR James Christmas Ghost Story and A Field in England (zzz). Gatiss and friends goofing around with their allusions and knowing winks seem thoroughly dated in a way that even Christopher Lee being the dark lord of Summerisle surrounded by grainy 70s nudity doesn't. The people putting together monster costumes for old Who out of bubble-wrap were sincerely trying to scare us.

Daleks used to be a reference to actual Nazis which, if not the kids watching, then at least their parents would have real, vivid memories of; this is why they were scary; now Daleks are merely a reference to Daleks; this is why they are not scary. Oh, and the too-quick schizo editing of new Who (qua new TV in general) really, really shuts down any attempt to lovingly recreate the atmosphere of old, weird, horror sci-fi pop cult, which relied on slowness and credulity to get its creepy effect. It leaves room only for knowing winks and chuckles.

Interesting! But also Gatiss's stories have just been a bit, you know, crap. Look at his Sherlock episodes, too - he's a really clunky writer.

Are X-Files and Buffy the last shows to successfully do both irony and earnestness? It does seem like a very 90s thing. Even those shows both kind of ended up combusting from being pulled in too many tonal directions at once.

You mean with X-Files being to the Twilight Zone and B-Movies and popular alien abduction and conspiracy theories, as League of Gentlemen is to Hammer Horror and etc?

I think I'd agree if so. Fringe, for example, probably is to the X-Files what Psychoville is to League of Gentlemen and there's a similar dilution going on in each transition