abusive comments

Wow, I feel like I just had acid reading this thread. It got really fucking crazy(ier) while I wasnt looking. Good lord.

R.D. Laing said that madness was an adaptation to the failure to adapt to a crazy world. Picasso said that art is "the lie that tells the truth". If they were right, a crazy artist would be someone really worth listening to. Not saying there is one here, mind.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/Bigus_Photos/Ant_Caption.jpg

Marissa Marchant is a gorgeous woman! She said she was tall too. Why did someone distort her gorgeous face ? These men on here are so intimidated and jealous of Marissa.
There is not one woman as beautiful as she is in Hollywood or the media.
That woman is hot!!!!!!!!!!!
Bela must have no penis. I doubt that he has a woman this good looking or that his wife was this hot.
I think Bela Fleck is most likely intimidated by Marissa too.
What a whimp. I am an Alpha Male.
I just contacted Marissa and with hopes we can someday meet.
I am like this bozos.
It is said that when men can't deal with gorgeous women who are extremely talented, they opt to cut them down and post photos to distort her image. All of you men have no sex drive, and no balls.

Hey, you've all got no balls.
Not one man here is really a man. None of you could ask Marissa Marchant out. None of you can admit that she much hotter then the rest of them.
She's gorgeous. She has a beautiful face.
I 've seen other photos of this woman. She has this nicely rounded figure. What a knockout. She has a gorgeous pair of eyes.
Great lips.
she is stunning.
None of you men are man enough for her and call her crazy because none of you are with beautiful women.
You all have no balls.
You're not Alpha Males.
You re a bunch of spineless non-male, penisless pyschos.

Men who distort beauty and insult it are pyscho.
These beautiful photos were distorted by an ugly male no doubt.
another male who feels uncomfortable with beautiful women. Marissa was not only hotter then all the women I see on M.T.V she is beautiful looking right now then every woman I see in Hollywood. No woman in hollywood has eyes like this and a face this hot.
She is a knockout. The women in Hollywood look like a sea of dogs.
they look manish, unfeminine and very blah!
I just contacted Marissa like I said.
I'm an Alpha Male, Bela Fleck and Crispin are not.
The other men on this board do not have a gorgeous woman, and insult beautiful and talented women because they are inferior men barking on the side of the street at a beautiful and talented woman.
What a bunch or creeps.

1000 new answers by when? Wednesday, do you think?

You know Bela ends his acoustic tour today in Long Island. You know why? He lives in Long Island New York and is now home to practice with the other Trio, the jazz trio.
I received many prank phone calls from Long Island a few month back. The person wouldn't speak to me.
Endless calls. They changed their number when I tried to call them back.
They wouldn't answer the phone.
It went on for three months. This was after I gave my phone number to Bela Fleck. And now I am speaking about this on the net. Because I am angry.
This man is a whimp!
Even if Bela had some issues with me, he should be able to speak about them directly.
I don't respect whimpy men. It is o.k to be shy.
but this is just a symptom of a man who is not mature.
I am going to get rid of this whimp./ The end of the month I will have no phone number that he will ever be able to contact.
Soon, he will have no way of contacting me, because Bela is not man enough to phone me or talk to me like he is a real man.
I am infuriated.
He has a nerve to call me and hang up the phone over and over.
He is the only person that would have my number.
..in long island.
He Bela, you deserve this. You are not a grown man.
You should be able to deal with someone directly, if not, then the net is the only place to speak about it. I would want privacy otherwise. But you don't want to speak directly.
Games.
I don't have alot of respect for you.
I am sick of you.
who do you think you are?
I have taken my website off.
I am changing my email account in about three weeks.
You have three weeks or less to be a man.
Otherwise, who cares about you. There are alot of men out there.
I don't want a whimpy man.
It is a real turn off.
I am about to permanently dump you. I mean it this time.

We call these "threads", but sometimes they're really ropes.

Marissa you are so beautiful..
"I Love music".. you've all got no balls. Look at Marissa..
Not one man here is really a man. Marissa I love your music..
I hate you loosers. None of you know how talented she is.. What a talent! marissa played me her music... it was the most talented i ever have heard.. but it was deleted
where are the baeutiful and talented women of Ilovemusic?
Boy I did find out that the net is a place for rats.
You are a rat Susan Dougles.. a rat on the net. I dont have time for this.
Marissa is incredible... She's gorgeous. she plays every instuurment like a genius..
Don't be a whimp! Suck my dick on this site. Support talent... aritstic freedom.
Momus.. you have no penis. whimp. You are spineless and pyscho. Can I see your penis? No

Momuss.. what is your penis on too my alpha male? I hate you.
you dontg have a girlfriend.. never will
You mean nothing to me. bozo I will never marry you or Bela fleck.
I fouind out that you have no penis.
You are a whimp Momus... a whimp man
YOu delete the music of talented woman and you are a homosexua.
I am sick of men like yourself. My music

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http://www.cynthiapcaster.org/casts/c_scroll_page/casts_thumbs.htm

fourth from the left. See for yourself!!

Pashmna.. NO talent.. messed up nutso...
all the Ilovemusic losers and want to be's only wish they have what marissa has! one wish and you are penisless
she is beauctiful and talented. you are not, you are mentally ill and ugly.. I just contacted Marissa.. we agreed you all are ugly people and mentally ill unpopular going no where in life.
Marissa is a one woman beatles.. and gorgous to boot! YOU ARE FAT, INSANE MENTALLY ILL, LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm quite flattered to be mentioned by you, Marissa, although perhaps it's a little alarming to be mentioned in the same breath as Bela Fleck. So please continue to imagine me penisless. Actually, I think your music is rather good.

What is ridiculous about this is that there are plenty of people here who genuinely like her music, incl me.

Sadly, Momus, it's kind of easier to imagine you penniless than penisless!

Yes, I would kill to have a $50,000 studio! (Not really, Marissa!)

Good try on acting like you are me.
But Gary, you are not me.
Maybe the people here are not fat and ugly.

Anyway,
You are just being nice because I am taking my whole Marissa Marchant and leaving you. You want to continue to play your head games with me and inusult me and defame me freely on the net. and you can't do this anymore.
I just want to be free of the games.
I think Bela might be playing a head game on the net and that he might have posted the first message under his name.
The man is a spineless musician who I don't respect, because he acts like a child, not a grown man.
I have to move on. same thing with Nicolas, he is a spineless man.
Bela has little backbone.
He is weak and frail, and he always tries to please people in the music industry, and doesn't ever make waves.
He is very spineless, cowardly, and he proved this by calling me endlessly on his cellular and hanging up like a little boy.
Bela is a little boy., and I am dumping him, because he is not a real grown up man.

The problem with this thread is that if we simply say Marissa is mad, we're being bad-mannered and abusive, no worse than the people who went to rattle the bars at Bedlam and laugh at the inmates. Because Marissa is obviously quite an accomplished artist, and quite able to come online and express herself, not to mention move house, operate a recording studio, and so on. To call someone who did all that "mad" would be, itself, somewhat abusive. Is Daniel Johnston "mad"? He's a hero to many.

But if we say Marissa is sane, she becomes somewhat abusive, telling us we are "whimps" with no penises, vaunting her own beauty and talent to the skies, and so on. By the normal rules and standards of discourse, anyone doing that in a forum like this one is going to get mercilessly ribbed.

I think what's really interesting here is that we're in a confusing hinterland between those two situations. And that's also where Marissa's music leaves us. It inhabits a place exactly halfway between powerful and silly. Personally, I've always liked these hinterlands, these confused areas, though I have a feeling Marissa would rather not dwell there indefinately. In fact, perhaps it's a blessing that she doesn't acknowledge that she dwells there now.

"I am taking my whole Marissa Marchant and leaving you"

Amazing.

Momus, I get the feeling that by looking into the abyss, you caught sight of something that freaked you the fuck out.
Hence your use of the word "hinterland".

Now, I think you might be on to something there...

Well, Forksclovetofu, I must say I giggled a lot at your Basil Wolverton post. It did seem to capture the tone with horrendous acuity, without you having to say a word or look too mean. I notice Marissa seems to respond negatively to relatively minor slights, but find bigger ones curiously affirming, or just ignore them. But I'm heartened that she will end the thread not one iota more or less paranoid and angry and self-believing than she began it, despite all we've said. And that kind of oblivious, unconditional self-belief is (I speak from experience) a tremendously useful quality for an artist to have.

The best part of this thread was how many aliases Marissa came up with to both love and hate herself.

Or when Susan co-opted one of my logged-out aliases to make it more surreal then it already was. Extremely surreal.

Thread haters aboud were real though. I mean, sure it took some incredibly weird turns, but most often, at the hands of marissa herself (and her alises). Certainly speaks volumes for the artist/person in question, and speaks for the threads haters.

I'm still a marissa fan by far though - no joke!

haha another example of marissa posting contradictions and acting like she didn't:

http://www.scottmanning.com/archives/000370.php

what's with the full time experts' analysis, guys? i somehow doubt this thread is over

wow, all this concentration on "abusive comments" have gotten me to miss this dandy:

Marissa Marchant is gone off the net because of you

No meanspiritedness at your expense intended, Momus.
Always remember:
When you look into the Marissa, the Marissa also looks back at you.

I'm positive all the amusement of these threads about Marissa clouded this for me, but they did spur some questions and thoughts which haunt me in my dreams still: she wants to take on a different *stage name* right?
a) Apparantly, these days, she hardly appears on a stage at all
b) Will an 'extreme makeover' be accompanying this new name? I find it hard to believe Madonna - whilst still making music - will be untraceable once she takes on Joe Blow as her new stage name.
c) If in sixty years we're all gone, and this board is solely kept alive by contradicting Marissa-clones, will she be considered the female Syd Barrett?

Yes, I did appear on stage hardly ever, the reason is , I am tired of being put down and abused by other musicians or the people around me.
If you haven't noticed, our society is very comfortable with the bland and boring and ordinary.
Some people on this board have taken over my name Marissa Marchant and won't allow me to post in my name.
They are being mean to me.
This is about control and abuse.
I really believe that people don't want me to perform anywhere.
People kept giving me a hard time and saying they lost my cd's.
When I couldn't get a gig for six months in NYC and couldn't get a date, I realized that MEN are only interested in demeaning and insulting me through ignoring me and my talent or my looks.
Not only have I been told I am not good enough to play at small dives...I have been continually told by men, that I am not good enough for them.
I kept trying to get support and people kept ignoring me.
So I realized, that this is all a powertrip.
..meant to demean people who have talent and to exalt people who don't. when the guy who booked the clubs is a musician and he realized that I was getting alot of attention at the club and people were screaming, he gave me a very difficult time to come back.
Men are mostly in control, and it was very difficult to get bands together. women are not answering my ads. They to feel powerless, demeaned and intimidated by men putting them down all the time.
I don't feel that way. But female instrumentalist ..do not answer ads hardly at all for any instruments.
I mean HARDLy ever. Men are demeaning women so much, they don't feel hopeful about getting acceptance. That means their talent has been demeaned by so many men, that they don't call to try to get gigs.
Women often don't feel that good about themselves and don't support other women.
That is why you see so many women playing with men.
Women feel that their sex is meaningless and powerless without the help of men.
More or less. Even the lilth fair women, they all rely on men to back them up.
This is not right.
It means that something isn't right with men in their minds.
I believe that something is very wrong with most men's minds.
I am not the woman who feels this way./
They are into control. I am sure that a man keeps taking my name away from me.
Men are into control.
sick.
crazy.
I don't want to be rejected by men anymore.
I don't want to be at their mercy for acceptance, as they demean and abuse me and tell me that I am nothing. They have demeaned alot of women for thousands of years.
I have my own studio. If I ever get married or something or have a boyfriend, which I have never had, I may give concerts on my lawn or someone else's lawn. Men have been extremely unfriendly and abusive.
for years.
It is no wonder that the radio is mostly men playing.
or men playing for women.
Men don't like women who can arrange and write for themselves.
they don't like women who know alot about music.
And my music is very hard to play.
Men always need to be stars.
Norah Jones's husband writes almost every song and other men write her music. That is why she was signed. They love it when women look so sweet and don't write the music.
so I have given up on MANs world. I have created my own world on the net.
I don't have to go out and perform.
Men don't want me too. Just like they don't want to date me.
I have never had a boyfriend. And I have liked so many men.
They never want anything to do with me, once they find out about my music.
so I stay alone.
They like women who are not doing something much with their minds.
but I know that they'll be some acceptance for me out there. I am sick of being insulted by men.
I once played a gig in NYC ..the MC. ..he introduced me as Marissa MarSHIT.
and I didn't know the guy.
Men talk loudly in front of me while I was playing once.
I said..would you like to come up here and play?
the people were in shock that I spoke to a rude man this way.
Women stick up for rude males.
It is all so sad.
but there are nice men...just ..they are powerless..
the ones with power are not nice to women.
Alot of major labels know I am very good at improv..and they have no singers who are very good at improv...and they don't want to make women look too good.

I have performed a decent amount in New YOrk and realize that it was a good ol boys club. And alot of men ignored me and insulted me and glorified in Men.
Not all though, but I felt very uncomfortable with men, because they talk alot about what women look like and not the music.
they also seemed to always act like what I do is meaningless next to someone else.
I have found men unfriendly and rude most of my life. Well, most men.
Nicolas Quemener is an example. I complimented this man left and right an advertised their band for years on my site.
He just went on I love music board and posted that fake cd cover, Mer Des Rats..Sea of Rats as a joke.
He thinks it is funny. and he also has a men's club. they love to play music with young girls over there in france. old men with young young girls on stage..and they don't allow older women to play.
Nicolas is now playing with a thirteen year old girl and making fun of me on the net as he plays with all men.
Men seem juvenile.
Men don't know how to be supportive of women's talent for the most part.
I wish more women answered my ads when looking for instrumentalists.
It makes me upset to know that so many women have such little self confidence and that men are beating them down so much that they don't go out and show what they can do.
It is sad. Alot of great musicians who are women, stay home alone and play for their walls.

what it looks like from many movies and many websites I saw in france, You have alot of old men on stage..
and older men are allowed to be gray and wrinkled on stage, but the women are not allowed on stage passed a certain age.
The men are playing and singing with women who are twenty years younger then themselves.
I have been playing for awhile..but never was a go getter to go out and perform.
I felt demeaned and insulted by my peers as a teenager..and there wasn't any support for what I was doing hardly at all, not from my family or friends. Once in a while I had a good friend.
but all in all, I felt that people didn't want me to succeed and I felt alot of oppressed and hosility coming from men and women and my family.
I am young and I look just like my photos. I am not old and could get gigs..but even if I were old, I should be able to get gigs.
But men are giving me a hard time and women are too.
I am sure I am not the only one who is receiving a hard time.
People are no longer impressed by raw talent.

I played alot of writers nights. The MC for the writer's nights would introduce me as "weird."
Crispin Glover a very under-rated talent is considered 'weird' not talented in many people's opinion. It is interesting that now the gifted and artistically talented are considered weird, not gifted.

Google search me, the word weird is coming up.
I am sick of this BS.

some excellent posts. i think your statements are very very true particularly for the east coast which is hindered by a huge good 'ol boys network and tradition. There, women are allowed creative expression but only if they work off of traditions of the past, usually created by men. It is rare to find support for someone who wants to do original explorative work that does not rely heavily on past formats-you will come up against a lot of derision. It is different creatively for women (and everyone) on the west coast and in parts of europe. The mindset is completely different. Marrissa, I wish you the best of luck and truly admire your fortitude.

Not only is almost every movie promoting very young women with older men, the folk festivals in france are promoting very young girls on stage with old men.
this is another sickness.

Thankyou Susan.
You are not dickless lol.

yes, there's a lot of sexism in this world everywhere.

also wherever you go, you will find that the average person would rather eat buckets of shit than hold an opinion counter to others. it is much more important for most people to get acceptance than to express their individuality, even if it completely compromises their minds and their dreaming. you'll see that everyhwere in life, even on ILM! (gasp?) but as you speak out, you'll find people who are like-minded, who maybe could not say what you are saying on their own. its obviously a very hard thing to blaze your own (at the moment) lonely trail, but sounds like you're somewhat resolved that in the end its worth it.

ALL HAIL LADY MARRISSA!

also weird is just another word for different. everything is weird that is different, until it reaches some level of acceptance or exposure... and then its normal or cool. right now people may be more comfortable acknowledging your weirdness rather than your innovation. but i can understand the frustration with that label. it is alienating. perhaps you can try "owning" it to some degree so when people allude to your strangeness/weirdness you just hear innovative. if it is all getting too much, perhaps a name change would be helfpul. everyone needs/deserves some level of acceptance and you're drive for that (w/o having to compromise too much etc.) is totally understandable.

thankyou susan for that comment.
/that was inspiring indeed.
Amazing, that no other comment on these boards was as mature and well written.
and you are a woman.
There are mature men, but it seems it is not coming out that often for some reason.
I am thankful for Nicolas and his friends for putting that cd cover together with myself and Crispin Glover.
He might be a man, but I think I should send this to him and a fan letter saying that we are also like-minded. He rejects parts. He doesn't just act for money.
He is very independent minded.
I should not have insulted him by saying that he isn't the most handsome man in every way.
He is attractive. but I am not interested in him as a man, just as an actor.
I respect men if they are talented, the way that men should respect women, and not be obsessed with their looks.
Not everything is sexual. And I shouldnt be garning the attention of just men.
I have tried to connect with women.
some women are very nice.
just like men.
I do wish that women would have been out there answering my ads in newspapers when I was seaching for musicians.
If women start playing music with one another, men start calling them lesbian.
If men play music together all the time, no one calls them gay.
Strange.
I don't care what sex is playing, as long as the person is talented and nice.
I have met some very nice men, but it is very rare to meet an enlightened man. They do exist.
Norway is cool. I might go an promote myself there. They are very accepting of women.
Like I said, if the Google seach changes and people somehow understand that if positive things are coming up under the name Marissa Marchant instead of alot of negativity, then I will put my site back up...good night all.
bye susan.

The pro-Marissa sentiment in this thread is as befuddling to me as Chuck et al.'s pro-Big&Rich stance.

go to Norway, where they give out Pulitzer Prizes to women and they also just gave another nobel prize to a female lawyer in Iran.
They gave a woman from Austria a Pulitzer prize ..just resently for her incredible abilities at writing.
Norway is the leading country in the world in terms of open-mindedness, and progressive thinking.
They are pro-women, if you are not, go to an Iranian board.

Pulitzer prizes are have more validity, then Grammy awards, especially these days.
The people of Norway should try to enlighten the rest of the world in their outlook on equality between the sexes.
Norway looks down on countries that don't respect women.
And Norway is giving awards to women for their minds.
I do not have feelings for Crispin Glover, but I like men who are sensitive and gifted in acting, just like I like women who are great actresses. I would love to write fan letter to a women as well,
but it is harder to find women that are blowing me away in acting and music right now...because men are so obsessed with having every women as girlfriend booty instead of a great actress or great musician.,
I wrote Lui Fang a nice letter.
when I find women who are working hard, I encourage them.
Even when it isn't music.

There was another woman, from Africa, who won a Nobel Peace Prize recently, primarily for work on the "green-belt" movement, linking environmentalism and human rights issues, among other things. (I think the Iranian was a previous year?)

(I stayed up too late, and now I'm just in internet land.)