Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

would be amazing to have a seasonlong arc which isn't about 'somebody wants to destroy the doctor' for a change but he just stumbles into something else entirely.

Yeah, a long dedicated story arc would be fine. Trying to fit stuff from the overall series plot into capers of the week is where things get messy.

just FYI this line of thinking is what brought us Torchwood: Miracle Day

But also children of earth?

Children of Earth was only 5 episodes long and they've already announced that they aren't doing split seasons again.

It's the quality of the writing that's the issue, not the (now really boring) monster of the week vs. story arc argument. Just some non-shite episodes of any shade would be good.

miracle day started so well

btw chuck otm. standalone stories would be/are fine if they're not ham fisted.

my argt wasn't that we should have a long standalone series, rather that the seasonlong subtle arc and then boom finale thing they've been doing for years now is played b/c they always end up with "all a plot of somebody to get the doctor" instead of maybe you have individual episodes and they're hinting at some bigger thing but that bigger thing is at most tangentially related to the doctor, or entirely unrelated even. more two parters would be nice though...

Moffat made a decision to cut out two parters bcz they don't save money

they would if he didn't do them with entirely different sets in each part.

Chibnall's Silurian one didn't, Moffat's Library one didn't, End Of Time didn't, Aliens In London didn't, Dances/Child had overlap - Moffat's Pandorica/Bang and Impossible/Moon both had minimal overlap, but he was looking at run of series figures. Rusty's finales recycled IIRC.

I agree I'd far prefer to see storytelling with more room to breathe and worldbuilding that justifes the expense of sets btw!

I've been Netflixing a lot of New Generation lately -- amazing how (in the good episodes) they manage to combine a, b & c plots, action stuff, worldbuilding, "room to breathe" scenes,e tc. all in 44 mins - and that's with a much larger cast too.

my theory about john hurt doctor's terrible crime is that it was not just destroying time lords, gallifrey, etc, but sacrificing his own family (susan, etc)

Hartnell ditched the heck out of Susan though

(also she turned up for a bit of an arc in McGann's fourth audio season, which I heard on Radio 4 via iplayer earlier this year)

Just rewatched Earthshock for the first time in years. Great story aside from the endless Cybermen marching down corridors scenes. I actually choked up a little when Adric said goodbye to the Doctor and Tegan, which I didn't expect.

Hartnell ditched the heck out of Susan though

Sure, but since she died (as a result of the time war?), there's obviously more to the story

new series has never said anything specific/explicit abt her fate AFAIR, don't think we're meant to assume she survived to/was involved in Time War. maybe she died of old age, but at the "moment" she's still rebuilding Earth society (again!) in the 22nd century.

[had a baby with human, he grew up, met grandpa again in his eighth body, had a Christmas episode on the TARDIS with McGann and met excellent companion Lucie Miller, grandson started boning companion when she left the Doctor and travelled the world with her, then Susan / grandson / Lucie got caught up in epic second Dalek invasion of Earth involving The Monk (played by Graeme Garden!).]

{dunno if MA/PDAs say anything different.}

they would if he didn't do them with entirely different sets in each part.

Rebel Flesh 2-parter was on the same sets too, except final scene which looked like an office building location.

well, i'm just ignoring the audio/novels, because they annoy me

yeah, I just think they're less likely to touch anything about Susan's future while it's still kinda, sorta open in another current continuity that even gets aired on the BBC.

future/past

I am really not convinced that Nu-Who gives a fuck about the novels/audios, even what with them keeping the show runners involved during the interregnum - apart from anything else, doesn't the Sarah Jane Adventures' Death of the Doctor drive a truck through a lot of that?

I should try catching up on that season of SJA that I missed, huh

nah, just watch that one episode (caveat: I have only watched that one episode)

far as I know it only requires Ace to come home to Earth at some point to fit with continuity though. I don't know where she's at by the end of the Virgin novels (planning to start reading the good ones next month!), if that's a problem.

ok hold up, let's ask a wiki (TINY TINY SPOILERS FOR NERDGLEE DAN MIGHT OTHERWISE ENJOY)

Liz Shaw is stranded on a UNIT Moon Base and cannot get back until Monday. The fact she's alive and well contradicts the events of the novel PROSE: Eternity Weeps, set in the early 2000s, in which she died, though in that novel she was also working on the Moon for UNIT.

This reference indicates that Tegan is still alive in 2010, despite having a life-threatening health condition in 2006 (AUDIO: The Gathering).

A companion called Dorothy(ea?) is said to have raised billions of pounds through her charity "A Charitable Earth." As the charity spells out the words "ACE," this is likely the seventh doctor’s companion Ace. However it could also be a reference to the First Doctor’s companion Dodo Chaplet, since charity work would fit better with her personality. She was also one of only two companions left on contemporary Earth not mentioned (the other being Melanie Bush).

looks less contradictory of audio/novels than the TV series often is of itself! but I don't have any expertise on this level

Mat Smith leaving after Christmas special

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/10093520/Matt-Smith-to-quit-Doctor-Who-after-Christmas-special.html

I think I'm fine with this. Loved Series 5, liked/admired/was totally befuddled by Series 6, pretty lukewarm about this last one...

yep, seems time for new blood

VG for the new Doctor

That's supposed to be embargoed until midnight... it'll be interesting to see what the public perception of the heavily rumoured replacement is.

i'd be an awesome doctor imo

We should start a new thread with Who12 speculation. The deal has been done for months i'm guessing but who knows when we'll know about it.

It would be awesome to have a doctor of color (Chiwetel Ejiofor, Paterson Joseph), if I were writing it I would make *him* be the only person distressed that he's now black, that would be hilarious (maybe only to me)

We should start a new thread with Who12 speculation.

Whoops -- adding to that: yes, will do.

Done:

Your Doctor Who No. 12 casting speculation thread

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:( :( Love, love Matt Smith, just wish his run had better stories overall.

OTM great doctor shit stories

one dimensional doctor shit stories

i saw a montage of clips from this season & it served as a reminder of how shit so many of those stories were

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22769384

choice

I heard this news the day before Matt Smith announced he was leaving, I thought the timing was kind of lolarious - "I want to be in a Marvel movie too!"

Or maybe filming in Michigan has been so splendid that he just never wants to leave.

...while we wait:

http://io9.com/the-most-exciting-doctor-who-rumor-in-years-513435868

I pretty much refuse to talk about that because if it turns out to be false I am going to cry for a year

omg

also DJP otm