Is this anti-semitism?

Not sure what's meant by that either, I mean, Hungary's rancid with anti-Semitism but there's no connection to what's going on in Greece.

GD-movement is a typical national movement that is being ridiculed and smdh'd at by all of Europe iirc, also the Medditerranean countries

Not to deny it's dangerous, mind, but I've yet to hear of movements outside of Greece that are following the footsteps of those fools.

andersbreivik.jpg

While it isn't as organised and popular as Golden Dawn, this brand of fascism is rampant in Eastern Europe.

though his relationship to antisemitism is not quite as ahem direct iirc

xp

andersbreivik.jpg

― goole, dinsdag 21 mei 2013 17:59 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Huh? A lone wolf psychopath isn't exactly a good example of anti-semitism. His primary motive was anti-islam.

i think calling him "lone" (or even psychopathic) is a stretch, given the bridged online-irl community he came out of. but you're right about islam, in his/their case

I think I have an Ikea product called Malmo

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html

Biden’s intentions here are obviously as friendly as can be, but the execution is awkward.

oh, no shit?

That will be the first line on his obit.

The main problem here is that gay rights, unlike black civil rights, are politically controversial at the moment. Biden may find it “all to the good” that Jews have used their influence over popular culture to change societal attitudes toward homosexuality, but lots of people don’t find it good at all.

chait making sure to cover all his bases as usual

This is really good:
http://chronicle.com/article/Anti-Judaism-as-a-Critical/136793/

Thanks Norway!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-8ffYWuPlA/Uadai0O_H0I/AAAAAAAAX5U/3R6QcrFGT-g/s640/nor+toon.jpg

what is that from

the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet

jfc

where's the translation from?

Translation from here: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/05/thoughts-about-that-antisemitic.html but I've seen numerous translations elsewhere (all below the original cartoon) that were similar.

this is tangential to the cartoon but damn the whole "anti MGM movement" is one sad internet rabbithole. if you're into that kind of thing.

We talked a bit about it when they published that anti-circumsition comic book. The movement seems to have strong crossover w/ men's rights activists, no?

LOL men's rights

i was just kind of baffled by the toe thing and wondered if that was addressed in the OV.

good luck norway.

Getting circumcized, at this moment:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CHBrCyolg1s/TaMxhOUh8VI/AAAAAAAAAbc/ntFZAGNNBsI/s1600/mgm-logo.jpg

why are they cutting off that kids toes

bc circumcising your child's penis is as bad as cutting off his toes

It's all a bit Brothers Grimm/ Struwwelpeter if you ask me

there are sincere anti-circumcision people who are not coming at it from conscious (or even internalised guardian-newspaper-style) anti-semitism. e.g. friend of mine just had a baby and i was surprised about how explicit the non-circumcision advice was in what seem like the pretty run-of-the-mill baby books i flicked through (command is probably a better word! the author of "the rough guide to having a baby" was repulsed by it, but there was no mention of religion anywhere). these were UK baby books (not german! ha! oh boy!)

obv though there's an intersection between anti-semitism and anti-MGM, and this cartoon is right there.

i was surprised about how explicit the non-circumcision advice was

I think this is just pushback from how widely it was recommended by doctors in the 20th c, the medical benefits of it are minimal, there's really no reason to do it beyond tribalism. (that being said I had my son circumcised recently)

i think some of the babycare books might be reacting to non-religious circumcision. seems like it was a pretty common procedure in this country at one point - me and my bro were both circumcised for "medical" reasons. babycare advice always seems strongly reactionary against the ill thought through ideas of the preceding generation.

can't say it bothers me one iota, in fact i think i prefer to be cut - tho i can't really remember what it's like not to be.

sorry, i've just written exackly what you said Shakey

i didn't realise it had ever been recommended in the uk.

babycare advice always seems strongly reactionary against the ill thought through ideas of the preceding generation.

ugh god yeah this is so true. has anyone done a historical survey of this kind of literature? cuz it seems like the thinking changes every 10 years

xp

yeah, when i was 7-ish i was diagnosed with having a "tight foreskin" or something and hey ho a day in the hospital and i got bought a bunch of comics as a treat :D

that's pretty late to be circumcised!

xxp

i guess this isn't really the thread Shakey but even between my kids being born i seem to remember getting different advice about which way kids should lie in their cot to reduce the risk of sudden infant death syndrome

xp yeah that's not what we're talking about. pretty sure circumcision of babies has *never* been common or recommended in the uk in the NHS era.

Don't know the stats but its much less common in the UK than the US I believe?

i don't think circumcision of babies was medically recommended but there was a definite trend for recommending it as a medical procedure in youngish boys, at least into the 1970s

it was definitely widely recommended in the US throughout the 20th c. that's been declining recently

During the 19th century, many medical practitioners believed that being circumcised was more hygienic than not being circumcised.

As a result, the routine medical circumcision of all boys, regardless of religious faith, became a widespread practice in England. However, routine male circumcision gradually became less common as many members of the medical community began to argue that it had no real medical benefit in the vast majority of cases.

from the NHS website, tho it's vague as to the dying out of the practice

yeah there's probably as circumcision thread if we want to get into this. i have absolutely no opinion on it fwiw.

my point was just that it is possible to be anti-routine-circumcision (and to present an argument that is anti-routine-circumcision) without being anti-semitic.

but yes, that cartoon is anti-semitic.

Data from a national survey conducted from 1999 to 2002 found that the overall prevalence of male circumcision in the United States was 79%. 91% of boys born in the 1970s, and 83% of boys born in the 1980s were circumcised. An earlier survey, conducted in 1992, found a circumcision prevalence of 77% in US-born men, born from 1932–1974, including 81% of non-Hispanic White men, 65% of Black men, and 54% of Hispanic men, vs. 42% of non U.S. born men who were circumcised.

iirc this was directly attributable to the (perhaps misguided) efforts of a small number of US researchers

i don't have any hands-on (nyuk nyuk) exp here but my understanding is that religious circumcision is far less uh complete than medical circumcisions (which are done with some kind of special clamp/cigar chopper device iirc)

so that cartoon ought to have a blooddrinking doctor, eh?

ah Lewis Sayre, founder of AMA

xp

wheres that anti-circumcision comic book that thing was great (and anti-semitic)

oh its in this very thread

http://imgs.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/djsaunders/2011/06/02/foreskin-man-no-2-front-cover.jpg

oh god yes, it was on a pool table