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''ILM taken to new levels''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

"of mediocrity"

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.vinylsingles.co.uk/images/artistic/runninginthefamily.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

so if Jigga put Whitman lines in verses and sampled Schoenberg, that wouldn't be hip hop?

The correct response to that would be "I'd have to hear it first."

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

Goood night ladies and gentlemen.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

can i lock it now?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

sure, but where were you like 300 posts ago?

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

it feels weird being at the bottom of this thread. like being in a deep dark hole where no light will ever shine.i think i'll go eat some ice cream.

― scott seward, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Go for it.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

oh right, jess was insisting that the original question-asker was looking for "rock." Sorry to answer my own question there.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

disregard my last post. who cares? hip hop seems to be one of the last genres where people fight over what is and isn't part of it.

You mean besides "punk"?

Oooh, jess got the keys.. gotta get my dick in here somewhere...

============D

YEEEEEAH baby... lock it now, you sexy mofo

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

i was eating a sandwich and watching the view

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

That referred to locking the thread, but by all means, have some ice cream.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, sorry stence, i said my two or three posts and then, you know, had other stuff to do.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

YOU were the bastard that started this fiddo.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

why do people always threaten to lock threads that become contentious or are dominated by sentiments with which they don't agree? Fuckin' hippies.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

i emphasize that Blues People is a great book though. I'm sorry that isn't convincing enough.

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

this thread just makes me feel all...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, just kinda...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

blount, i'm still making your cards. i have not forgotten.

― doomnut bietch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

There's always room for variety.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/brasil-6.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

(Also, Wooster ROXX.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/cam.gif

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

aaah mike you're a ninja.
are you gunning for the late JON WILLIAMS throne?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

w.r.t. cam'ron: h-h-h-HOW???

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

hey cam'ron shrunk and now you can't make out the 'rapper' title above his name.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

the original poster was looking for "opera". with breakbeats.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

Momus has his filter set so threads about hip-hop aren't visible

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

I'd be interested to see how you think Blues People is "fundamentalism."

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Antipop ruined a really good Matthew Shipp record.

― Michael Patrick Brady (Michael Patrick Brady), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

James:

1. Play Squarepusher in one CD player
2. Play Ned Raggett Reads the Almanac in another

This should be something akin to what you seek

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

http://www.victorynetwork.org/ArtFile/BillySunday2.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be interested to see how you think Blues People is "fundamentalism."

(pssst, ddrake, I don't think Ned was talking about the book)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

(but you wouldn't understand anyway since you haven't read either A. Keimig's Fundamentalism and Music Criticism: The Chasm No One Dare Cross nor Kenneth Le's Sound & Analysis In A Subjective World and many other books like it)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

(trying to make the point clearer and clearer here, ya know)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

fool's errand db

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

le sigh.

(still making your card, cinnibuns)

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

Cinniblount, you missed the point at the beginning of the thread.
If Ned means me assuming he had not read it, in that case he should have paid attention to what I posted waaaaay up there at the beginning of the thread when he said that: That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book.
And where the fuck did these wise-ass remarks about me acting as if I know what people have and have not heard or have and have not read come from? I've never pretended to have any knowledge of any of yr experiences, merely attacked the EVIDENCE of those experiences - failure to acknowledge the relevent parts of the book in question and failure to reflect any sort of knowledge about hip hop in a list. PM Dawn = #26.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

That he wasn't displaying any knowledge of having comprehended the book

This is why people have been using the word "fundamentalism" over the last ten or twenty posts, btw

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

I'd like to just mention how un-clever I think all these posted pictures are.

AHHAHAHAHHA1!1!!1!!

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

J0hn, perhaps you can clarify, because I don't get what yr getting at.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

mike's are way clever. everyone else did ok. i'm pretty unhappy with mine.

world destructor is pretty cool but i wouldn't rank it above pm dawn.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

I think the book itself made many valid points. It is flawed in some ways, and I'm not saying he should strictly follow nor agree with what it discusses, but certainly it reflects the ways in which music developed and what was valued in music in the seperate black and white communities throughout U.S. history with trenchent accuracy.

I'd rank PM Dawn somewhere between Arrested Development and Talib Kweli.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Clarifying: you read Blues People. For you, it seems to have been a revelatory experience, opening new vistas for you: perhaps confirming some things you'd already thought, perhaps introducing new ideas to you, perhaps challenging you to reexamine some of your own beliefs. Great! Someone else may read Blues People and think, "What a load of shit! Everything in this book is front-loaded nonsense designed for further an ideology that's never clearly articulated." If someone reads Blues People and has that reaction, it doesn't mean they "didn't understand" the book. It means that that was their take on it. The classic example of this sort of phenomenon is with fundamentalist Christians, who will tell you that if you read the New Testament and didn't convert, then you "didn't understand" it. This, too, is horseshit.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

Or, perhaps I'm asking for him to clarify what it is he doesn't agree with? Which would have been a relevant thing to discuss back when I first mentioned the book waaaaaay back in the thread. But it was much easier to take the easier way out and personally insult me for another 400 posts.

― ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

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