The Field Mice: Cl*ss*c Or D*d

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Not exactly sure what you mean.... Depends on when you date "indie" for one thing (or do you mean "indie pop"--a label that didn't exist then to my knowledge). They certainly incorporate New Order-like synth/syndrum textures into a number of records, but it seems more dance music-informed than actual dance music.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

did they do a record with her out of st etienne?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

St. Etienne covered "Kiss and Make Up".... But did they do anything with Sarah Crackers? I dunno.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:04 (twenty years ago) link

no, but as i recall two of the FMs contributed to a StEt song (which may have indeed been their version of "Kiss and make up")

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

(xp)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

Depends on when you date "indie" for one thing

well what i'm getting at is that i think they pre-dated all that Madchester/"indie dance" nonsense (back when "indie dance" wasn't really dance at all)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

Now I'm out of my depth...

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:08 (twenty years ago) link

Their shift into electronics was roughly concurrent with the Madchester thing, but postdates "W.F.L." which is probably the 'birth' of indie-dance.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:18 (twenty years ago) link

makes sense - esp since Wratten was such a Factory-head

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 06:19 (twenty years ago) link

oh, sorry, that's what i get for skimming...

youn, Friday, 8 August 2003 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

and not noticing the obvious...

youn, Friday, 8 August 2003 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

only Field Mice track I like = "Missing The Moon"
(only Spacemen 3 song I like = "Big City")
(they have two things in common)

etc, Friday, 8 August 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

extreme length?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 07:25 (twenty years ago) link

Midway. They were, when I was 17, the Band You had To Like in Exeter. And they were OK, but somehow never as fragile and lovely as they should have been. A better idea than they were a band.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 8 August 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

I never ever got them, and I liked a fair number of their contemporaries. I even like certain selected members of the band very much. But I could never work out what is was that set them apart as the best of that particular bunch for so many people.

Jim E-T: the idea that TFM were ever the Band You Had To Like in Exeter is baffling to me in the extreme. Did indie really have a heyday in Exeter? (I left the area in 1989 and kind of assumed that the same 10 people stayed liking that kind of stuff as had been interested for the previous five years.) TFM played their second (third?) ever show in Exeter, as I recall.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 August 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

One of those bands I loved despite nobody else getting it. The most indie of bands in my life, cos every other band I liked I knew someone would agree. I finally discovered someone else I knew had both heard of and liked them in 1996. I was tremendously Sarah at college, in a goth sort of way.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 8 August 2003 09:14 (twenty years ago) link

How can you be Sarah in a non-goth sort of way?

(Sorry Sarah)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 09:23 (twenty years ago) link

There was a largish indie scene in Exeter - based around the College - at the turn of the '90s. Lots of girls in A-line floral dresses ad plimsols eating parma violets and hitching to Filed Mice/Sea Urchins gigs.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 8 August 2003 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

>I left the area in 1989 and kind of assumed that the same 10 people stayed liking that kind of stuff as had been interested for the previous five years.

Jesus, we must have overlapped. I was there from 89-91.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 8 August 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

Wretched really.

I saw the WDYLTKTW comp for a fiver and bought it meaning to flog it on e-bay for as much as it could get. I haven't sold the bugger yet, as I do very occasionally play the keybd/sequencer tracks which aren't bad. But the jangle-indie stuff is staggeringly useless - Wratten's lyrics are so *literal* and plain - no mystery, nothing unexpected, just 'I am so far way from you/summer's too long..blah blah blah.
How can anyone stand to listen to this shit? It's delivered in such a mopey, 'I'm so useless' milksop croon that you want to say 'Stop hanging around the fucking coach station you dozy twot and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!' Or bring back national service!
At least Morrissey was funny.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 8 August 2003 10:44 (twenty years ago) link

but it's the melodies!!!! it's always the melodies!!!!!!

i like wratten veers towards the wet on many occasions, but how can you deny a song like "so said kay" or "missing the moon", two of their least literal (and most beautiful) songs..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

(i think not i like)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

I think its the less literal stuff that has aged better, and really what sets them apart from most of the other Sarah stuff. When I think of things like "Coach Station Reunion" I always wince slightly but there is indeed no denying songs like "Emma's House" "Indian Ocean" or "Missing the Moon". I always think like they sound ( or were aiming to sound) like they were the lost little brother of New Order, and this goes right down to the record sleeve designs. Big plus for the Chocolate Love Sex thing as well.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 8 August 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, this is more or less how I feel. Even the better songs tilt toward "the wet" as Jim says but it's the ones that stay far enough away from that puppy-love literalism that appeal to me.

I really dislike the record sleeves, for the most part, and I know I part ways not just with many of you but with several of my closer friends as well on this. I always thought the lettering was too big! They often seem like Minimalism for Dummies. (I guess this quality--a kind of studied naivete--is on purpose.) I find the For Keeps cover especially ugly. I like a lot of the covers to the Sarah comps, though.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

As well as being very influenced by New Order, I think Wratten's lyrics were very close to what Mark Eitzel had been doing with American Music Club.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

Wratten's lyrics are so *literal* and plain

This is something that bothered me about the FM, but now it doesn't for some reason. I think the first time I heard "If You Need Someone," I probably cringed.

If you need someone to tell you everything is gonna be alright, I can do that, I can do that, I can.

Bob is really a wimpy, wistful, fragile fellow (and seeing him live confirms this), and it comes off as completely honest. So it works for me. A little sincerity is refreshing nowadays, isn't it? (But I can *totally* see how people would hate his lyrics. I gave the comp to a friend of mine, and he said that he loved the music but sometimes the lyrics made him want to punch the guy.)

So, "Willow":
Don't you go thinking I never did love you

Kills me every time.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah you wish the guy would stick up for himself once and a while!

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

I once got involved in a very drunken conversation with a bloke where we agreed that the Field Mice were almost like an "inverse" version of Arab Strap, in that the songs were virtually always about the same things, but the words used in them were completely at odds, when compared against each other,....or erm, something.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

the sleeve for For Keeps is genuinely horrible

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

Just flogged 'Where d'you learn...' for £45 on e-bay! Money to spend!!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

That was you, was it? I did notice it for sale. I wouldn't have paid that much for it, but then there's people out there willing to pay silly money for my early Tindersticks singles so I shan't complain.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 06:32 (twenty years ago) link

i don't understand why it goes for so much - is it really that rare?

Matt Haynes makes me well cross with his attitude to reissues.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

Jim, I imagine it's possible. It didn't stay in print very long. I bought one for an ex-girlfriend who'd turned me on to them; I have another I bought for myself that's still sealed.

[Homer Simpson voice] Bids, anyone?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:02 (twenty years ago) link

i wish the original singles were worth nearly as much. who'd like a mint copy of Emma's House? i sold my Sensitive 7" already

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

Jim, my mint copy of "Emma's house" went for about £20, which is quite respectable. And the first Orchids single has just sold for £35. Mind you my signed copy of "Pristine Christine" went for really silly money.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

i sold my copy of Pristine Christine to someone on this very board! for not as much as i would have thought. when i bought it, it was the first time i'd paid more than $15 for a record.. *sigh*

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:28 (twenty years ago) link

Going back a bit to your point about re-issues, Matt can hardly complain about people (like me) selling Sarah records on Ebay for huge profits when he could re-issue them himself.

I bought all the records at the time because I loved the music, and I still love the music now, and it breaks my heart that I've had to sell them and I'll never be able to see them again, but on the other hand my financial needs (paying back a loan for an eye operation) are more important than music at the moment. I'm refusing to sell any of my Sarah CDs because it's those I play the most, but the vinyl can go in dribs and drabs and if people want to buy it, let them. I'd dearly love some kind of "Sarah Soup" compilations which compile all the first 50 singles onto CD (and I've done what I can from my collection anyway), but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

So, people like me will sell our records, and Matt will complain. But he's the only one with the power to do anything about it.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

i feel exactly the same as you

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

I too am astounded that the "where'd you learn to kiss..." comp is going for silly money these days. I has assumed that it was going to be pressed over and over again - a sort of Bob W. retirement fund.

marianna, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

Holy crap, someone's actually trying to eBay a copy of _Where'd You Learn..._ for $99!!! ($125 if you want to avoid bidding.) I thought the main purpose behind this comp was to downplay all the Sarah Records auction gouging...?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link

The WDLTKTW comp sold about 13,000 copies, I think, and is supposedly going to be repressed (hey! but with a different cover, collectors!) sometime soon. Not especially rare, then. Ten times less rare than some of the early Sarah 45s, for example.

Matt's attitude to reissues/collectors annoys me too. But being realistic (and playing devil's advocate for a moment), he's working with limited funds, and, given the choice, wouldn't you prefer to release a new record than repress an old one? Either way, I get the impression he's really not interested in music any more, if indeed he ever was.

I won't go into the ins-&-outs of Bob's songwriting here; all a bit too close to home. But, cover designs: yes, uniformly bad. "Minimalism for Dummies"..exactly.

Marianna: a Bob W retirement fund is a *very* good idea...

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

I always got the impression that Matt was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea regarding Bob W's bands. On the one hand, they seemed to bankroll Sarah for a while and TBS do (or did, at least) the same for Shinkansen, but on the other hand he doesn't like the fact that they overshadow the rest of the roster.

But let's face it, as nice as the occasional Fosca or Tompot Blenny record are (and yours of course are marvellous, Harvey, any chance of another?) Shinkhansen seems to be slowly fading off into the distance, even a TBS compilation is like admitting defeat, that people only are interested in Bob's bands, and now they've gone I can't see the label lasting for too long. As Harvey says, I think Matt's lost interest in music.

(Of course, Matt could always reply to the contrary here)

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

the compilation should not go for that much, for a start it doesnt fit in the sleeve properly, and secondly its not a jewel case, i dont like non-jewel case cds

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

the sleeves were bad come to think of it, london weekend was the best sleeve;)

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

He's interested in London though!!
http://www.shink.dircon.co.uk/smoke.htm

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I saw that in his latest mailout. A new fascination?

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

I'd never really thought about the sleeves before but... well... not up to much, are they? "Skywriting" is probably the best of the bunch, and only because it rips off someone else's style (Mondrian? Oh, I can't remember, I'm not that cultured).

At least the ASD sleeves had some enigmatic photos on 'em, and "Rebellion" is probably one of my fave sleeves ever (and I'm not just saying that to make Harvey happy, I remember seeing it in Replay in 1994 and thinking "That looks so cool, I've got to buy it on vinyl too").

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

harvey - is there any chance whatsoever of London Weekend being repressed? or am i more likely to sprout spontaneous wings?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 12:50 (twenty years ago) link

esoj- Pete Hahndorf from Tweenet has asked me if he can license it, with nicer packaging, maybe a few demos & stuff, which I may take him up on. It's probably just a case of asking Matt; it's not as if he doesn't let go of the masters (there have been 14 Iced Bears, Wake, Secret Shine, St Christopher(?) comps recently on other labels). It's really a matter of how small the market is. If it's just one person (hello!), email me off board & I'll do you a CDr.

Alternatively, I reckon London Weekend, Rebellion & California would all fit quite snugly on a single CD, which is quite appealing, if ultimately pointless.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

Hi Harvey! "Anorak City" is my favorite Sarah single!

If the comp is truly "worth" that much, I might make a copy for myself and sell it. (Who knows, by the time I get back from Europe, perhaps it will have been repressed.) Although mine's beaten up just a bit, as a result of the bad packaging that Gareth describes.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not super familiar with the Field Mice catalog but "Fabulous Friend" sounds like it came straight off of R.E.M.'s Reckoning, which is a very good thing in my book.

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Monday, 18 December 2023 21:56 (four months ago) link

Too many people here need to explore more it seems

Evan, Monday, 18 December 2023 21:56 (four months ago) link

this song from a Peel Session is so good, v New Orderish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_27IUnBk1o

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 18 December 2023 22:13 (four months ago) link

holland street is a dazzling instrumental

― brimstead, Monday, 18 December 2023 21:22 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this one absolutely leapt out at me yeah

imago, Monday, 18 December 2023 22:39 (four months ago) link

Humblebee was lovely ty!

imago, Monday, 18 December 2023 22:47 (four months ago) link

ditto Anoint

imago, Monday, 18 December 2023 22:53 (four months ago) link

"Below The Stars" has a lovely Lazer Guided Melodies vibe. More of this sort of thing please!

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:24 (four months ago) link

Another obscure good one, originally given away on vinyl with Bob Stanley’s old Caff zine. Goes for a small fortune nowadays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYsMIDKeMCI

piscesx, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 13:26 (four months ago) link


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