Let's talk about vocal vibrato

i'm always fascinated by vibrato, or the lack of it. yep

like judy garland's vibrato is really soothing. but i don't always love beyonce's vibrato.

people suck at using vibrato these days IMO

bring it back

Also, try to avoid tension in your jaw (aka DON'T DO WHAT I DO ARGH)

sigh, 4 years later I still have the same issues

like judy garland's vibrato is really soothing. but i don't always love beyonce's vibrato.

I think this is a resonance/technique issue; Judy Garland has a very warm voice compared to Beyonce, so her vibrato will come across as more relaxed and elegant.

yeah... it seems like beyonce doesn't always let her vibrato do what it wants to, comfortably

you know, the warmth of judy's voice is so neat. i can feel the heat!

re: relative lack of vibrato in indie - looks like this question upthread wasn't fully addressed

I think it goes back to what Dan was saying about early music and straight tone singing connoting purity, and by extension lack of affectation. I could be totally mis-remembering music history, but vibrato was seen as having a sensual, thus sinful quality and for a while wasn't accepted in religious music.

I don't think the lack of vibrato in indie has anything to do with instrument balance and is mainly about seeming unaffected or untrained, thus more "authentic," especially compared to the pop/R&B aesthetic that is built on vibrato and other vocal affectations.

martin gore to thread!

btw I knew it would be Surmounter who bumped this

! you

More threads like this please.

can someone start fuckin with vibrato in 2009 for youtube/ilx?

please do that, plaxique. i would post things

jane siberry talking about kd lang's vibrato and stuff:

We were in separate booths, but something wasn't quite happening, so we stood together in the middle of the room. It was that physical-presence thing. She has a wide vibrato, and as we stood close we could see into each other's eyes as we sang. Looking at someone while you work has that feeling about it as with lovers. Finally, the engineer said, "Cool it with the vibrato! We're starting to feel seasick in here." About two weeks later, I was singing on my own and my vibrato started to get really wide. I think just by standing near her, her whole system was teaching me something that I needed to know.

That's a pretty common thing to have happen, particularly when dealing with singers who listen and blend; there's really nothing quite like matching vibratos with someone.

how come you know all this stuff?

he smart, educated.

there's nothing like matching vibratos is RIGHT

I'm assuming their talking about Calling all angels?

it's because he has sung with vince gill

and martina fuckin mcbride

Also, I'm really interested in this now, like I don't really get the physics of how it makes your voice louder or even where it originates from in the voice.

its not the loudness of your voice, its the width of your vibrato

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I don't really get the physics of how it makes your voice louder or even where it originates from in the voice.

as I understand it, the sound is resonating in a larger space inside your mouth/throat, thus more sound is produced. Sometimes it ends up picking up or being influenced by the harmonics of the room, at least it does/did for me, before I started smoking a pack a day and quit singing.

That's pretty much it, from what I know; more space = more amplitude = more volume.

how come you know all this stuff?

I've been singing professionally since 1991. (Note that really the only enduring thing of note that I've done is sing in a chorus on the "Mystic River" soundtrack on songs where you can't actually tell a 60-voice chorus is singing along with the orchestra; this was the same group who did "Saving Private Ryan" the year before I joined.)

keep thinking about this thread whilst listening to the Dirty Projectors, like the guy is this weird mix of indie shoutiness and strangely skilled, on those opening lines of rise above where the vibrato suddenly swings out of straight notes esp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IL4nX5r71M

dunno if this is the right thread for this, I think it is, but looking for more instances of this thing bobby caldwell does sometimes like in this track where he sort of...emulates a delay I guess? but manually, with his voice

like there is absolutely straight up delay on the vocal as well, but particularly on the second verse it sounds he is just doing it himself like some kind of rare genius

may also be mixing up delay and reverb? I dunno I'm a drummer

No it’s delay! Horace Andy does this too

Jacob Miller too...

yes thank you that's pretty much exactly what I mean, I know very little about reggae but is this basically the invention of dub? like oh wait, we could just feed everything thru a delay pedal

No. Sounds like he's mostly trying for a Barry Gibb thing but the last line of the song he definitely mimics delay.

yes! barry gibb absolutely, to be clear not advancing the theory that bobby caldwell invented dub, was in reference to horace andy, like was dub something that emerged from some reggae singers doing this in the 70s and then guitar players wanted to do that too

The other way round.

That reminds me that I was listening to Moby Grape recently and Peter Lewis does a kind of tremeloed thing with his voice on some songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adF3Lc-g5Ac

... tremolo or vibrato or whatever. Seems like something singers did in the 60s? I don't know if Donovan did it first but I associate it most with him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8k8jpT3tw

love that the cat. # of the bobby caldwell LP in the youtube embed is POOP 20240