Vincent Gallo to jerk off, sell sperm [but not to darkies]
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Just cos he was a Christian doesn't make him right wing. This was an artist who promoted the rights of Native Americans, opposed Vietnam and the Iraq war. Despite being "saved" he never became sanctimonious.
― stew!, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link
My contribution to the blacklist and I"m surprised it hasn't been said: Bob Dylan
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not convinced that Gallo believes any of the racialist nonsense that he says.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link
so? does that somehow make it better?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Maybe if Gallo had a bigger stage, where anyone but Vice fanboys and Chloe Sevigny gave a damn about his views, it would be a bigger deal. But he is, ultimately, a nobody.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link
NO FUCKING WAY was Johnny Cash conservative. He basically looked at Xtianity as a force for redemption and was the sole Xtian on the planet that I ever had any respect for.
― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Even in Curb Your Enthusiasm, there's an episode where he gets a new dog that barks at black people and causes him all manner of embarassment, and makes some remarks that have his status as "friend o' lesbians" retracted, all while wearing a bow tie which causes someone to call him "Tucker Carlson over there". There's also another episode where he's about to start making out with a gorgeous fellow co-star of The Producers but then notices a picture of George Bush on her dresser, asks her if she's a republican (she is), gets disgusted and has to leave.
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link
This would be more interesting going the other way - supposedly right-wing (but not really) artists that get shunned by leftists. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Lynrd Skynrd.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link
thumbs up to milo re salvador dali (who vladimir nabokov once called "the spanish norman rockwell" [though mr. rockwell himself was somewhat left-leaning]).
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Freud Junior, Third Cousin to Chuck Norris (Freud Junior), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link
i stand corrected. marinetti didn't invade fiume, tho'.
others: john ford (or at least certain french lefty film-lovers did). lee ving (alex in nyc to thread!) morrissey.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link
50 Cent
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link
Are you talking about Johnny Cash? And did you know that Tucker Carlson was once a contributing editor to the right-wing Arkansas Democrat-Gazette?
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link
We need more gun-toting, nasty scotch loving Democrats--the image of the "pansy liberal" is an understimated in why the vote goes to the Elephants and not the Donkeys in the South.
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link
We get it, you don't like the show.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes - I think there's a difference between conservative and right wing.
I see conservative as a kind of harking back to the past, with a strong distaste for the present. Often combined with a distrust of government in general, and a wish to restrict government intervention of all kinds.
I think Robert Crumb and William Burroughs both fit into this category.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link
More consistently what you see is that the "conservative" leanings of artists lauded by "the left" boils down to wanting to live in the woods and own guns and the rest of the world can fuck right off. Which I often think sounds like a pretty attractive option myself.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm wondering if aestheticism unites left and right the same way libertarianism does. In other words, we need a three-dimensional model which includes dimensions like libertarianism and aestheticism as well as just left and right.
I no longer write for Vice, and it's funny that what separated us in the end was an aesthetic disagreement; I wanted to attack skull imagery in a piece, and they didn't want to. Now, is it left wing or right wing to wear a skull t-shirt or have a skull tattoo? It could be either, but it's offensive to my particular aesthetic.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link
(Tender-minded, childlike, optimistic, wholesome, healthy, Eros, no skulls, believe people, left to their own devices, are basically good) v (Tough-minded, adult, pessimistic, sleazy, destructive, Thanatos, skulls, believe people, left to their own devices, are basically bad)
Now, to me there is a certain correlation between tender-mindedness and liberal-left politics, and between tough-minded "realism" and the right, but it's not a hard-and-fast one. There are tender-minded conservatives (David Cameron?) and tough-minded leftists (Brecht?).
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Norm Macdonald seems to be the most obvious answer to this thread right now
― frogbs, Friday, 2 October 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
The above stuff about Lynch from 2006 is very interesting in the light of 2020, particularly the stuff equating "family values" with conservatism. Though cons always paid lip-service to such values, I can think of few things more corrosive to family values than capitalism.
Lynch is so into families that he's had four of them
(and started at least two of those by cheating on then ghosting a previous partner or wife aiui)
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Damn, I didn't know that. X reference with the "separating the art from the artist" thread.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
Bill Hicks would have been a Berniebro.
― Boring, Maryland, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
I'd suggest H.L. Mencken, even though his politics were all over the place by today's definitions. "At heart" he seems conservative.
― Josefa, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
and unless I’m misremembering p gd racist
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 2 October 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
you're not misremembering
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
Nah he’d be a corona truther.
I don't know how the guy who talked like this gets lumped into the reactionary bin -" Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 5 October 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link