Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

oh man, I left out "built an entire episode around the shocking idea that a machine designed to pull people apart might kill someone (The Leisure Hive)" and "Tried to pass Nicola Bryant off as an actual American"

xp: I actually love "Warriors of the Deep" and that entire final Davison season because it just piles bleakness on top of bleakness on top of bleakness, but that specific scene could have been handled differently

Unfortunately it rings all too true with things I've also heard.

I guessed some considerable time ago one of the series cliffhanger plots involving a companion (and, I think said so here).

The John Hurt thing seems more than credible.

'merry Christmas' isn't from The Chase, it's from The Feast of Steven during Dale Master Plan.

You also appear to be missing that Rusty's big plan for the (thankfully unmade) "best ever" Christmas special was to crossover with a reunited Star Trek TNG cast but the Americans thought he was a prick. (This is in his book about how he was the best thing ever to happen to Doctor Who.)

oh dammmit you're right re: Dalek Master Plan

x-mas spoiler: SO dumb that it just might work????

let me think about that

...

... nope

also I never heard about that TNG crossover, or if I did I completely blocked it from my memory because it was just. so. stupid

He devotes something like 20 pages to it in The Wanker's Tale and about how much of a genius it makes him. HOOT!

the more I realized that Rose was RTD's mary sue, the more I started hating the character

x-mas spoiler: SO dumb that it just might work????

http://media.tumblr.com/df8543798f07aacbfa189b9d093f41c4/tumblr_inline_mlkmb0LXWl1qz4rgp.gif

okay Nicole that is incredible

I can't help thinking of New X-Men.

If anyone wants an EARLY piece of evidence I am genuine, I could give you all spoilers from ANY up coming BBC programme... Just pick one!

It's one thing to say 'Cardiff we have a problem' and it's another to beg to be blacklisted

it's a bullet point in the post titled "Clarity"

I refuse to retype it because that might make it come true

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:29 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh fuck no

brace yerselves

geronimHO HO HO

re this lot of rumours: this is the sort of thing that might come out of a production that was failing, but the fact that it's still hugely successful (critically and viewerly) means this sort of thing would normally be tolerated.

the best parallel i can think of is in australian politics, where our last pm was so reviled by his own party for being tyrannical and ruthless that he was rejected by his own party, and then subsequently fought off like six times by a government which is actively falling to pieces. assuming at this point that moffat really is so horrible to work with that the production would rather just not be making the show at all.

as aldo said, this isn't coming from nowhere either. rumours touching on this have been floating around for ages.

xp noooooooooooooooo

btw 'series 8 intentions' reads a lot like 'series 27 intentions'

- metatraxi
- safe-cracking companion
- lungbarrow

http://www.digitalspy.com.au/british-tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a477531/doctor-who-brian-minchin-to-be-new-executive-producer.html

More spoilers.

I have a bad feeling about this...the xmas rumor is probably true.

tbh I am fine with the Omega idea

unless of course it ends up that Omega is (Xmas rumor) in which case I may have to hunt and sleigh

Oh, I'm not saying that that's a bad idea but it makes his other claims (like the xmas special) seem a bit more credible.

I know that the Daleks are the original Who monster but I've always felt like Omega is the ultimate Who boogeyman thanks to him being the bad guy in The Three Doctors

I also love the pattern of Gallifrey's greatest heroes turning into monsters that threaten the cosmos, because what does that mean for the Doctor?

Xmas rumour sounds like terrific fun, I am also mega-down with Feast Of Steven

can we avoid being so open about rumours in case they turn out to be real spoilers though

(or "rumours" since they're just one blatantly attention-seeking bloke on a blog, not accreted murmurs)

That blog post reads as hysterically overdramatic comedy butthurt to me but this is Doctor Who I suppose.

Agreed, the Xmas rumour strikes me as a fun idea actually.

I imagine many, or even most, shows have similar background stories.

I'm sorry Chuck, now we have to kill you

no hard feelings?

That blog post reads as hysterically overdramatic comedy butthurt to me but this is Doctor Who I suppose.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 2 May 2013 01:04 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

instantly thought of ian levine when i read this

I made it through Happiness Patrol, you can't hurt me anymore

Oh god how did I miss the that when I was listing stupid things that happened in Doctor Who

Fucking Delta and the Bannermen too, ffs

watching Happiness Patrol tonight, RIP Helen A

!!!

okay lol

actually you know what was a super underrated 7th Doctor story that gets lumped in with the terrible ones but has a fantastically creepy kernel and is surprisingly enjoyable, is Paradise Towers

I have a hell of a lot of affection for that story, particularly as it came on telly when I was nine. The cleaner robots really shat me up at the time (think we've been through this before).

I watched it again a few years ago, and while it's not in the least bit scary anymore it's good campy fun.

It's probably been a good 10 years (or more!) since I last saw it but I remember being amazed that there was a good story there fighting to break through a terrible, terrible production

I feel like their enjoyable creepiness probably owes more to their poor production values than any kind of artistic choice (see also: all Carry On movies), but still, you take what you can.

the only part of PT that doesn't really make any sense no matter how you spin it is Mel's "I don't care if this whole place is a series of deathtraps, my ass is going swimming" determination

Mel is a complete moron, I don't expect her character to make any sense.

It's probably been a good 10 years (or more!) since I last saw it but I remember being amazed that there was a good story there fighting to break through a terrible, terrible production

this is the case of every Cartmel story* bar Remembrance, which still has to deal with all-video and Keff McCulloch

so with that said, Happiness Patrol is amazing and kid-me was a fool to hate the Kandyman


*nb: Time And The Rani and Silver Nemesis were JNT commissions

ha ha, the comments at Wife In Space are full of people who also hated it as kids loving it on rewatch 26 years later

Would've been a very average episode in the Tennant era, but now its straightforwardness was rather refreshing. I liked the sepia sequence.

Diana Rigg was great. The death of Mr Sweet reminded me of Eraserhead.

Really enjoyed that quite a lot. Diana Rigg's character reminded me go Harrison Chase, for reasons unclear.

that whistleblower blog has been taken down fwiw

against my judgement we're sort of perfunctorily watching this, probably because we feel compelled to stick with television even when it loses us

so far the following tropes that we're sick of have occurred:

- people doing something obviously alienish that makes it clear they're aliens even though we're supposed to be intrigued (this week the salt down the blouse thing)
- aliens talking to other aliens
- the doctor bursting in in full bumbling clown mode (which his only mode)

when the doctor emerges bright red and like dying or whatever, we're supposed to be concerned/worried/saddened/whatever (and we would be if it were ecclestone or tennant), but because this doctor has only one mode (bumbling clown) we both just fully expected him to do a lol stumble down the hall or something