2008 Primaries Thread

Juxtapose The Corner's article and The NYT's Frank Rich article. Instructive.

where's the Screaming Lobster of Hope this morning?

Drunk dialing Gina Gershon.

Srsly though, he should stick to having affairs with c-list actresses.

who will the following Governors endorse:
Phil Bredesen (TN)
Brad Henry (OK)
Bill Ritter (CO)
Kathleen Sebelius (KS)

LOL

The candidate with the more limited demographic appeal is clearly Hillary Clinton, who so far has proven herself a rock star only to the Virginia Slims-'n'-menopause set and their sensible-shoe-wearing sisters in the upper middle classes.

also: new hampshire

Meanwhile, all this weekend over on the right has been bloodletting over who supported the surge more and when. Not the sign of a healthy party.

i assume Bredesen would lean Hillary, but if she's campaigning without him, presumably he isn't gonna endorse, which seems logical for him, and if he were gonna endorse, I sorta doubt she'd be hitting it first. Henry would be a little more likely to endorse, and I'm not sure which way he would go. Youth would suggest Obama, while veep prospects could go either way and might favor Clinton. I doubt Ritter would endorse Clinton, but I'm not sure he would endorse Obama, who's already announced some Colorado backing, either. Again, I'm not sure Sebelius will endorse, but I've got a hunch you might see her with Obama some time after next Wednesday.

if he were gonna endorse, I sorta doubt she'd be hitting it first

if he were gonna endorse Obama, that is

this is probably stupid, but i had a minor euphoric moment this evening. and maybe it's shallow optimism, but damn, despite all the crap that's hosed up with the country right now, here is something bright and good. something actually changing for the better.

.. i just realized that we're freaking out and fighting over whether to elect a black man or a woman as our president.

dude guys... synchronize bongs and chug beers at will.
m.

OTM

re: bill clinton's comment about jesse winning SC twice, isn't he just saying what everyone else knows and has said already a million times -- that there are a hell of a lot of black people in SC and that most of them would probably vote obama? and that's why he was spending so much stump time there in support of his wife? once again my outrage-o-meter fails to register anything

Scarlett Johansson announces engagement to presidential candidate, film at 11.

lol @ inept latimes

"Joe Lieberman has become a partisan hermaphrodite."

Full vid of Obama's victory speech,

~17 mins.

I like it.

yeesh @ that latimes article

i appreciate that he's worried about my "emotional energy" though

Rarick OTM.

Anyway, if you guys want to do some nervous math, revisit http://www.270towin.com

Predict which swing states might go blue! Or if you're feelin' really chancy, predict which blue state will go back to red.

Bets are awaitin'!

The Screaming Lobster Of Hope you see above Alfred's "Where's the Screaming Lobster Of Hope this morning?" post will be your host. Enjoy, and good luck.

I gotta say, Obama showing strong support in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina is a pretty good harbinger. HRC is going to be clawing even harder for traction now.

I am especially glad that SC black voters put a big, indirect slapdown on Bill. Now maybe the man will show some restraint.

UCLA political scientist Lynn Vavreck speculated on some interesting possible interpretations of exit poll data showing that a substantial 21 percent of those who believe Clinton would be the best nominee in November voted for Obama, while only 4 percent of those who believe Obama would be the strongest nominee voted for Clinton.

interesting possible interpretations of exit poll data = big, indirect slapdown on Bill?

POOR BILL CLINTON! Lack of sleep -- and unconditional love -- caused him to lash out at that mean Sen. Obama.

UCLA political scientist Lynn Vavreck speculated on some interesting possible interpretations of exit poll data showing that a substantial 21 percent of those who believe Clinton would be the best nominee in November voted for Obama, while only 4 percent of those who believe Obama would be the strongest nominee voted for Clinton.

i know tons of people in the south who voted for jesse in the 84 and 88 primaries because they knew he wasn't going to get the nom but they wanted to send a message (which is possibly the interpretation of current results bill was trying to set up with his comment)

did obama really say that as president he would appoint mitt romney "secretary of lookin good"??

...while reading a dave letterman top ten, yes

aw i really wanted that to be real!!

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5655/hillaryblackkidax9tn4.jpg

http://www.afrobella.com/wp-content/afrobella%20images/mlkdaysaulloebgetty.jpg

lolllllllllll

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/author-toni-mor.html

http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-five-reasons-why-the-kennedy-endorsement-is-a-big-deal/

Ted Kennedy has a "huge following" among hispanics and working-class Dems?

Ted Kennedy has a huge following among Kennedys.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article732401.ece

3. The national press will be obsessed with the story for days and days to come

^^^ this is probably the most significant factor

patrick "patches" kennedy (D-RI) also to endorse obama

Obama leads Clinton by 2 in Colorado - http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_8089114

Do Any Polls Show That Bill Clinton's 'Obama/Jackson' Comparison Is Really Hurting HRC?. If so, I can see why TPM says Bill Clinton "jumped the shark" with his comment.

clinton was asked why "it takes two people to run against obama" and he insinuated via the jesse jackson comment that SC's democratic party is pretty black, and that's why hillary was putting so much effort into the campaign there -- i just don't see how this is controversial??!

pundits play this kind of inside baseball chatter amongst themselves on the airwaves constantly but woe betide any polician who actually does so themselves

It's different when it comes from Bill Clinton, the de facto leader -- and, up to now, inspirational voice -- of the party.

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only controversial in the sense that it seems to fit a strategy that many people think is dirty pool

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

that's from the AP

clinton was asked why "it takes two people to run against obama" and he insinuated via the jesse jackson comment that SC's democratic party is pretty black, and that's why hillary was putting so much effort into the campaign there -- i just don't see how this is controversial??!

-- Tracer Hand, Monday, January 28, 2008 9:18 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it sounded to me like he was implying that south carolina didn't matter because jesse jackson had won there previously and it didn't mean very much

I wonder how this Florida business will play out in the press. if hillary "wins" there will it be seen as meaningful?

anyone who thinks the clintons arent race baiting is fucking stupid - this shit so gross

it sounded to me like he was implying that south carolina didn't matter because jesse jackson had won there previously and it didn't mean very much.

It sounded to me like he was implying that the real Democratic frontrunner wouldn't need to rely on African-American support, which is a bad message to send to a significant, valuable and loyal constituency.

well, she's already expected to win my a comfortable margin in FL since none of the candidates have campaigned there, and making a show of support to FL voters before the primary will probably shore up her victory there. however, if the clinton campign continues to press to seat the delegates in FL and MI, the storyline in the press is likely to be one of conflict between the Clintons and the DNC, with the possible effect HRC alienating herself from the party establishment. Honestly, I really don't see the DNC granting her request to seat those states' delegates -- it will stand by its prior commitment so as not to be seen as supporting one candidate or another.

guys the question was specifically about why hillary needs bill to be on the campaign trail in SC. there's no need to "interpret" his answer except in relation to that question. bill mentioned that jesse won SC twice, that he ran a great campaign, that obama was running a great campaign. the clear implication was that hillary had an uphill battle in SC in part because the democratic party is so black there.

i honestly don't know what dog i'm backing in this fight yet, and have still not decided who i'm supporting in tennessee (my dad has ALREADY voted for obama, though).

i just think it's important to be intellectually honest about these little media-created moments. jhøshea if you've got some evidence you haven't shared i'd love to hear it.

there's no need to "interpret" his answer except in relation to that question.

oh give me a break