but why him, and why the delayed response?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the whole Chillwave boom was in 2009 right after Merriweather Post Pavillion came out.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
why him what? why are musicians inspired by a guy who is an incredible songwriter? delayed response - maybe because it's harder to copy what he did than it seems?
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
so if ac is the beatles, ap is the velvet underground?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, I guess '09 was the year of washed out, neon indian, carles chillwave article, etc. I don't think it's likely that those things were influenced by MPP that came out just a few months earlier.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
AP is the bob dylan of his generation. other chillwave bands are the byrds, sonny & cher, etc. that emerged 3 or 4 years after dylan's debut.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
ariel pink is the tiny tim of his generation
― brony orlando (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
i remember in that article he (and lots of others like james murphy) was seeing his influence on a lot of artistshttp://www.spin.com/articles/ariel-pink-in-praise-of-guilty-genius/ "Every time I hear her," he says of Grimes, "I hear a little of myself. It's obvious, but it's cool: You can see the potential for something." i think "obvious" is pushing it a bit on that one...
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think he's calling grimes' music "obvious" in the same sense that his own is - not that she's taking obvious inspiration from him
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
Pink isn't even a fraction of the singer or performer that Tiny Tim was. he obviously wins on the songwriting front though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
The tiny tim of today is like pomplamoose or something. pains me to say that because I love tiny tim, but in terms of gimmicky performer that got famous doing covers it fits.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.
― wk, Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:45 PM (52 minutes ago)
the first round of obvious ariel pink imitators i remember showed up in 2008 or so, e.g. gary war's new ratheonport. at the same time, american indie garage bands were going nuts for super-shitty fidelity (in the wake of AP and times new viking, coming from very different directions) and massive amounts of reverb (a la oh sees & ty segall). 2009 saw a shift towards hazy/fuzzy nostalgia vibe surfing from folks like real estate and kurt vile.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
blank dogs also figure in there somewhere, drew a lot of attention in 2007 w ap-style take on uk post punk
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, definitely gary war. garage has always been shitty sounding though. since the original back from the grave bands, through to the mummies, etc. shitty sounding pop music with synths was something kind of new and different though.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know, to me it's all about the songwriting. I think people underestimate that. it's not like pink invented vhs nostalgia or anything.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
no doubt, but there was a brief mid-to late 00s fascination with super shitty, teengenerate/early hellacopters-style recordings of indieish music: tnv, blank dogs, eat skull, psychedelic horseshit, the wavves, etc. we can't so soon have forgot those heady shitgaze nights?
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see all that as ap-influenced by any means (i'd say blank dogs and gary war were), but with those ap reissues, the lo-fi boom helped clear room for more commercially viable versions of vaguely similar stuff a couple/few years later
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
"See, I can hear my influence in this music," Pink shouts from the passenger seat, ignoring Emily as Coldplay's "Paradise" comes on the radio. "That over-melodiousness, that whole keyboard bit. That was all me. Seriously. They don't even realize." ^^^ there are bits like that a few places in the interview, made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
boards of canada seems relevant too. I think they were one of the first to popularize the idea of not just generic distorted lo-fi sound, but specifically evoking the sound of a bad classroom filmstrip or stretched out warbling tape. I don't know any of those bands you mentioned except for wavves who to me seem more generally punk rock. to me there's a distinct difference between a making a lo-fi recording because it's the punk rock thing to do and making a lo-fi recording of a type of music that's not typically meant to sound lo-fi.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
made me think the guy is a little paranoid.
getting high in the morning will do that to you
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
after reading that article i thought starting a thread called "artists that ariel pink could think were influenced by him weren't" , or something like that.
Broadcast comes to mind.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
"but weren't" damn where is the edit button.
xp yeah, i agree that the boc-like "bad filmstrip" aesthetic isn't present in, say, times new viking and their offsprings. they reach back more to gbv & sebadoh-style 90s lo-fi and decades of shitty garage/punk sonics. but it is there, at least in received and reinterpreted form, in blank dogs and gary war. also present in a less direct way in folks like matt mondanile (real estate/ducktails) jocking old vhs as the referent for an interst in fuzz, hiss, reverb and "hazy" nostalgia.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
not sure why i'm arguing for this, tbh, just the way i remember it
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink though. Hey, Post Pink would have been a better genre name than chillwave.
― wk, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink
oh yeah shit yeah. was just trying to locate postpink ground zero in 2008/2009. fuzz-splitting.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
i remember thinking Before Today got a rave rating on Pitchfork because he had attained this status as an indie demi-god around that time, and Pitchfork wanted to keep up with the times. background being they had shat all over his entire discography years before.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
lol, I just revisited some of the earlier parts of this thread and saw that dumb pitchfork doldrums review and googled nick sylvester since he sounded familiar and I thought he used to post here. I guess that idiot got his comeuppance.
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
are you gonna look after my boys???????
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
I never realized that the videos for AYGLAMB, kate, and politely declined were all directed by the same guy who did those gi joe psa videos!
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
what's his name? cos he's probably more influential than AP
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
haha. eric fensler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fensler_Films
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
apparently he's a writer for Tim & Eric
― wk, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
Two children are in a kitchen. In fairly unintelligibly slurred speech, the first boy says "You're not cooking.", the second boy responds "Yeah I do". The curtains in front of the stove catch on fire and the boy operating the stove tries to say the word "fire" but only stutters it instead, saying something along the lines of, "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baa-baaa-baaah." Blowtorch runs in, shouting "Porkchop Sandwiches!" This line is one of the most frequently quoted by fans, and Fensler has until recently sold T-shirts sporting the phrase. He arrives at the kitchen door and in a panic-ridden voice orders the children: "Oh shit, get the fuck out of here! What are you doing? Go, get the fuck out of here, you stupid idiots! Fuck, we're all dead! Get the fuck out!" His panicked tone of voice contrasts oddly with his calm body language. Outside, he tells them, "My God, did that smell good!" prompting a stream of gibberish from one of the boys. One of the boys says something along the lines of, "Detective, I did no going and then you tell me do things, I done runnin'..." This is met with Blowtorch's staring toward the camera, followed by a closeup of that same stare.[12]
― Stupor Fly, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
til it was "yeah i do" not "yeah dude"
― Sébastien, Friday, 26 April 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
i'd really like to hear more anecdotal stories about ariel's meth use. ever since i read this thread, and that christopher owens interview where he says "we're on different drugs. i'm a junkie, ariel's up all the time bouncing off the walls," his whole cultivated aura of mystery and weirdness seems a lot less contrived. certainly explains the shit live shows and the sheer volume of his recorded work....i don't know
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 May 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
yep he was amazing 2nite
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 05:42 (ten years ago) link
Two new tracks with Jorge Elbrecht of Lansing-Dreiden fame
http://www.cmj.com/news/listen-ariel-pink-and-jorge-elbrecht-debut-two-new-songs/
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:46 (ten years ago) link
If anyone wants the lyrics and credits to these two songs:
http://i.imgur.com/06BhTnP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vuo0ttQ.jpg
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:32 (ten years ago) link
Thanks! "No Real Friend" is my favorite AP song since the lo-fi days.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link
Tasty drums and keys on these tracks by dudes from the MGMT live band , Will Berman and James Richardson
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
whoa, awesome concert from sydney in march 2012 just recently uploaded with rough versions of Mature Themes songs, w totally different lyrics and titleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlziFDWy94&list=SP4h2XGENb6qh52Y1WQDkeJIaN7Po_O1e7
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 19 August 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link
ariel in 2011: "i want to be a talking head" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LxPVkhe8Y
2013: http://pitchfork.com/news/52176-watch-ariel-pink-guests-on-fox-news-program-red-eye/
hes happy now, thats good:)
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 8 September 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
unfortunately he only has a few moments on the Fox show
― More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Sunday, 8 September 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link
Ariel Pink is in bed and talks about bloody vaginas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjX6hjYSodo
― DDD, Saturday, 19 July 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
I wish that interview was ten times longer and in the middle the girl turned into an Oompa Loompa
― calstars, Sunday, 20 July 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link
wow what an asshole
http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
lol
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
archie bunkercore
Besides the rampant misogyny, that story makes no sense at all.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link