Is this anti-semitism?

but you would need to add another word after it

reading them, i imagine those carter sermons in the voice of mr. rogers

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/128998/poland-undead-gravestones

This is an interesting article:
http://nymag.com/news/features/east-ramapo-hasidim-2013-4/

and it raised some uncomfortable questions for me about anti-semitism and prejudice. You have this discreet and distinctly identifiable group of people behaving, I think, pretty badly to the rest of the population of their area, and they happen to wear an identifying costume and quite deliberately separate themselves from the rest of the community. Under the circumstances, it's not surprising that people are going to say "the Jews" do x and y, even though it's really just this sub-sub-set of Jews. Is that anti-semitism?

That's anti-hasidism. Those dudes are jerks.

Some of the staff where I'm working got called anti-Semitic, in an insane email, by one of our "customers". Despite the fact that no-one knew this person was Jewish. So, that wasn't anti-Semitism.

That article is really upsetting. It seems like the end hits a strange note? Where he goes to sit shiva and is all blah blah community "oh you have to see us in our time of grief to really understand" what the shit? THE SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE RUNNING WATER. OR CLASSES. Don't educate your own kids if you don't want to, unfortunately that is still your prerogative to have them not learn English or history or in the case of the girls, anything, really. But to systematically dismantle the public school system, in cold blood, because you don't actually care about it or any of the people affected by it because they're not you, and anyway they're unclean, corrupt, and you're a religious extremist, is HORRIBLE. That makes you horrible.

This post kinda brought to you by living around Satmars for a year and having just read Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots.

There are a lot of different chassidic groups. New Square is particularly extremist (they have their own little city!).

i think we can always fairly object to the actual actions of a specific group acting together - even if that group happens to share an obvious characteristic in common, and even if that shared characteristic is often the target of bigotry. reacting to what we perceive as bad behavior isn't really prejudice, it's post-judice (though the one can certainly inform the other).

problem arises when we extrapolate out from the actions of the distinct actor-group in question, expressing large-scale prejudice about anyone who happens to share the characteristics we perceive them as having in common. so it's fine to object to the specific actions of the hasidim in that particular neighborhood, but expressing it as "the jews" do x and y is always gonna be anti-semitic.

Satmar is also really extremist. And they also have their own city! (Kiryat Yoel, supposedly the poorest city in America.) They used to feud a lot w/ Chabad. xp

Yes, I know. I know there are different groups (does anyone actually call them courts?) and I made a little study of ultra-orthodox life and beliefs for a while there. My manager's sister was Lubovitch and lived by me in Crown Heights and went to her daughter's wedding, and then lived in South Williamsburg, all that insanity, plus was just really curious. Mostly I'm interested in people who get out, who deprogram. Also my conclusion is basically that religion makes people terrible.

It's kinda weird imo that ppl keep posting to this thread asking if it's okay to be angry at particular groups of Jews.

No one calls them courts in 2013.

or in the case of the girls, anything, really

in some hassidic sects the girls actually learn much more "wordly" stuff than the boys, because the boys are busy being torah scholars. I don't know particularly about the satmars though.

Kiryas Joel is not a city. It is a village within the town of Monroe.

I don't really grok the distinctions between cities/villages/towns/etc. Is it just about population size?

in some hassidic sects the girls actually learn much more "wordly" stuff than the boys, because the boys are busy being torah scholars.

I would get really really happy to see dads with their boys AND girls at the public library on Sundays, especially after reading on Orthomom (I think?) that it was so controversial to some people.

No

The author of Unorthodox supposedly went to the library every weekend with her mother.

On the other hand, I got suspended from my Yeshiva in 9th grade for illegally visiting the library.

Haha well yeah, her mom, who was gay, and who left the community.

Orthomom, though, was a blog I followed for a while, after that guy who did the secret one, I forget his name now....

The Reluctant Hasid? Something like that. There was an uproar about his identity and he may have stopped blogging.

since we are on the subject, I might as well encourage you to read my friend's piece:
http://narrative.ly/culture-crossings/heretic-hasidim/

orbit is "Unorthodox:" a worthwhile read? I have to be pretty selective about my extracurricular reading these days, so I try to choose wisely.

It's exactly what you think it is, sensational and very clear about who the good and bad guys are. I wouldn't spring for it if I were you, I read it in...a day?

Oh the orig blog I started reading was the Hasidic Rebel, I think. Hurt, will read that article more carefully when I'm at computer.

Oh hah he's quoted! Is that the same Pearl who did the docu about her family's divan?

Oh no sry that was Pearl Gluck.

I don't think so but IDK, she's mainly a photojournalist

oh xp

I tried to read Hurting's link at Dunkin Donuts, and it was blocked as "pornography."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-gateways-to-old-hatreds/

I really want to post the Times piece about Nueva Germania, Paraguay somewhere but I don't think this is the right thread. So interesting though.

I haven't seen it yet but I think the doc is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElGBvBbuTn0&feature=player_embedded

the first minute of that came off as hysterical agit prop, didn't really need to watch more

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/05/why-are-human-rights-organizations.html

about half-way down the page:
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper

Venezuala?!

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-disappearing-jews-of-malmo-sweden.html

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/21/greek-politician-screams-heil-hitler-in-parliament-during-debate/

god bless america, tbh

The rise of the Golden Dawn movement obv is a tragic development, but the extremism of the “Golden Dawn” movement in Greece, which is now reaching out to other European countries? Really, which ones?

Not sure what's meant by that either, I mean, Hungary's rancid with anti-Semitism but there's no connection to what's going on in Greece.

GD-movement is a typical national movement that is being ridiculed and smdh'd at by all of Europe iirc, also the Medditerranean countries

Not to deny it's dangerous, mind, but I've yet to hear of movements outside of Greece that are following the footsteps of those fools.

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While it isn't as organised and popular as Golden Dawn, this brand of fascism is rampant in Eastern Europe.

though his relationship to antisemitism is not quite as ahem direct iirc

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― goole, dinsdag 21 mei 2013 17:59 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Huh? A lone wolf psychopath isn't exactly a good example of anti-semitism. His primary motive was anti-islam.

i think calling him "lone" (or even psychopathic) is a stretch, given the bridged online-irl community he came out of. but you're right about islam, in his/their case