there was a non-Trial of a Time Lord season 23 that was cancelled by the hiatus, so in a sense it is a "missing" season.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but 16 doesn't fit with that in any way - it'd have to be 27 for the other number if so
but like I said, we should actually let suzy explain what she means before arguing over it
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
i thought she did tbh
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
that refers to series 16, which will be cancelled in 2021.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
haha yes
right now it seems awfully like the missing numbers are missing years of her life, which would fit with moffat's fetish for timey-wimey arcs
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
I assumed she just didn't read the book so much in those years because she was busy snogging and doing O-levels / working and saving for a trip
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
obv not since no-one has any idea what she meant!
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
I do not think the numbers correspond to actual season numbers, sic
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
how could they possibly allude to missing seasons, then
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
Not quite clear whether you're being gallant or a dick or just skipping reading comprehension here, sic - Suzy really doesn't have a grand unified theory beyond what she said.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 April 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
I am genuinely not getting how the numbers are allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who, which is why I asked "how are they allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who". The only "missing" whole seasons are the theoretical 1985 S23, and the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27. If the numbers don't relate, how is anyone making the jump of deduction, and if they do, how does 16 tie in?
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
If anything, someone should be arguing that they were an early-episode wink that Moffatt was lying about there being no story arc this year, given that 16 and 23 are the only series/seasons to ever explicitly have one
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
(no timewyrmo)
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
I took suzy to mean:
Some years of her life are missing from the list
Some early years of Doctor Who are missing most of their episodes
That is the only connection; there is not actual significance or correlation beyond some numbers just not being there
having said that, I expect that there will actually be something important that comes up storywise that explains why those numbers aren't there, but right now the theory being floated is "some fan noticed numbers were missing and thought of missing episodes"; you're making this into a Big Grand Thing that isn't even worth thinking about
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
leaf first page = fall of trenzalore
or too much of a stretch?
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
Probably, seeing as we call it Autumn.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
Are there any UK writers who are women who could become the showrunner? (Yes, I went there.)
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
sally wainwright
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
... and of course I have no idea who she is. /yankee
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
let's just call her hortensia buttocks for the sake of argument
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
/JOEKS
Any relation to Incontinentia Buttocks?
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
(Yeah, I went there.)
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
I enjoyed this one more than I've enjoyed Who in a while, it may because I was desperate for Amy and Rory to go away by the end.
Worst case scenario for the next showrunner is probably Gatiss.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
blargleblargleblargle barf
actually i liked this one more than everything else this season, mostly bc the bad guys were nicely campy, but god i do not enjoy clara or matt smith or moffat's whole existence
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
clara isn't very interesting yet.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
she was in Asylum of the Daleks
I was really really hoping they'd give the Doctor a Dalek companion tbh
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I would love a companion that isn't human, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.acmi.net.au/experience/images/img_dexter_perfectmatch.jpg
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
true i really liked her in the dalek story. but that's a totally different clara!
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
the thing I've found fascinating about the character is how they've taken the same basic template and put into three separate contexts (past/present/future), each with her own quirks but all sharing a similar wit and inquisitiveness
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27.
ha ha four years ago Big Finish got him to actually make this, with versions of his, Platt's and Aaronovitch's intended stories that don't clash with subsequent "continuity" (ugh)[ie Ace stays on and becomes co-companion with her intended replacement] and I guess a new final one by him in which the Doctor doesn't regenerate?
now I want to hear these after I finish a current rewatch/watch with friends for first time of the Ace years
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Saturday, 6 April 2013 05:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh and a friend baked these li'l fellas for the first new ep last week
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/cakedaleks_zps1d4bb103.jpg
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
the Big Finish stuff is really good!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
whoa sic yr friend's dalek cakes are awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
Just caught up with last week's episode in time for the next. I liked the story, especially the fact that the world wasn't saved by emotion, hurrah. HATE THAT FUCKING "DOCTOR WHO?" THING, STOP IT NOW PLEASE. It's getting worse than "spoilers". Rolled my fucking eyes at motorbiking up the Shard - tried to tell myself it was for the kids but FFS I think that's doing down kids far too much.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, April 3, 2013 9:28 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally agree with this - I kind of like the actress, but it would have been so much better if she'd come onboard as Dalek Clara.
Also agree that Moffat era is rubbish for women, although I know I've argued with Nicole re: the extent of said rubbishness (i.e. I still don't think Rory's a misogynist). At least in RTD era for every Rose you had someone strong or independent or queer or at the very least compelling.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
i'd kinda wished when he was motorcycling up the building that they had just never shown it (at first i thought they might not), that it'd been like the whitewater rescue in white hot american summer and you'd just have clara watching and going 'omg he's doing it! he's actually doing it!' and then cut to doctor on motorcycle in office, broken window behind him.
― balls, Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
just caught up with last week's episode in time for the next. I liked the story, especially the fact that the world wasn't saved by emotion, hurrah. HATE THAT FUCKING "DOCTOR WHO?" THING, STOP IT NOW PLEASE. It's getting worse than "spoilers". Rolled my fucking eyes at motorbiking up the Shard - tried to tell myself it was for the kids but FFS I think that's doing down kids far too much.
Emily otm about everything. I have a bad feeling Moffat is really in love with the "Doctor Who?" thing that's been going on for the past season or so, I have a feeling it's just going to get worse.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
well getting her to say it 3x last week + "I like the way it sounds when you say that!" wd seem to be a calculated fuck-you to everyone who said it was wanky (Moffat likes that kind of gesture, right?)
(not watching the new one yet bcz of rubbish freeview reception, since analogue tv got shut off I just end up waiting for everything to end so I can iplayer it instead)
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
Human emotions save the day again! Oh wait, no, this time it was stories, because that's totally different, right?
Also, was I being slow? I didn't get it - if the big bad eats the stories/soul, then surely the person doesn't have them anymore? That's why it's a scary thing, right? So how come the Doctor remained completely unaffected by any of his stories being eaten?
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 April 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
Also, lol, Bladerunner.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 April 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
That wasn't very good, or maybe it's just my allergy to children singing as plot device.
(Yeah, I was all set to be annoyed at the Doctor for having his memory wiped for a little girl he'd only just met, but then it was like nothing ever happened. Also "hurrah we have saved everyone and there are definitely no bad consequences of everyone being in orbit around a planet-sun-thing which has imploded and/or magically ceased to exist")
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 6 April 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Blimey - that was a poor episode.
― ex-ex-gay (Bob Six), Saturday, 6 April 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
what the hell? that was amazing
― Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
i bawled like a baby
such a hugely effective emotional pay-off
― Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 April 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
I was all set to be annoyed at the Doctor for having his memory wiped for a little girl he'd only just met
Nah, you see, I would've been fine with that. Also, it wouldn't have just been for her, it would've been for all the rest of those societies. PLUS if he forgot everything about himself, then 'Doctor Who?' might actually have an acceptable comment. Possibly. No, no, it almost certainly would still have been annoying. But at least it would have been SOMETHING, rather than the big nothing we got.
― emil.y, Sunday, 7 April 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
this ep was really just there to cement the doctor and clara, and flesh out clara. fwiw i love the hell out of clara.
― Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 7 April 2013 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
btw i'm not playing down the nothingness of the plot or cancelling you out emil.y
I actually didn't hate ALL of the episode, even though the emotions-will-save-everything device was pretty clearly signposted. I was just particularly weirded out that this big thing seemed to actually do nothing when it was devouring Rutger Hauer, sorry, the Doctor's stories.
Also, the fact that the musical choices are so utterly terrible in nu-Who made the whole singing aspect pretty bad for me. It reminded me of little more than the faux-emotive culmination of the shy-pee episode of Brooker's old TV series.
― emil.y, Sunday, 7 April 2013 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
Rutger Hauer, sorry, the Doctor
bahahahahahahaha otm
― Let's Make Laugh II (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 7 April 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link