Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

16's also missing. Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.

What are you talking about

oh lol I should have caught on to that

How is it allegorical to missing seasons of the programme

I don't know why Paul Cornell hasn't been invited back. Family of Blood in 2007 was his last episode.

If I was Cornell I could see not wanting to come back after the terrible rewriting of the end of that

But a) was his invitation actually rescinded after his pilot didn't get picked up? hadn't heard that, and b) when would he possibly have time to write one?

Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.

oh god fanwank

now now lets hear suzy's theory out first

... it's not that complicated a theory; some of her years are missing from the book, and some seasons of Doctor Who are missing

if there's any more to it than that, good luck fandom

hopefully there is, because the second fanwank gets in the way (rather than being part of the scene/plot somehow) it's time to go home

that can't be it, because no seasons of Doctor Who are missing, and while Trial Of A Time Lord (#23) came after the hiatus, The Key To Time (#16) wasn't even delayed or affected by strike or anything

although tbh eliminating the key to time year and the trial year doesn't make all the sense in the world—they existed, they happened (obv i'm not pointing any of this at you suzy) xp

yes

there was a non-Trial of a Time Lord season 23 that was cancelled by the hiatus, so in a sense it is a "missing" season.

yeah but 16 doesn't fit with that in any way - it'd have to be 27 for the other number if so

but like I said, we should actually let suzy explain what she means before arguing over it

i thought she did tbh

that refers to series 16, which will be cancelled in 2021.

haha yes

right now it seems awfully like the missing numbers are missing years of her life, which would fit with moffat's fetish for timey-wimey arcs

I assumed she just didn't read the book so much in those years because she was busy snogging and doing O-levels / working and saving for a trip

i thought she did tbh

obv not since no-one has any idea what she meant!

I do not think the numbers correspond to actual season numbers, sic

how could they possibly allude to missing seasons, then

Not quite clear whether you're being gallant or a dick or just skipping reading comprehension here, sic - Suzy really doesn't have a grand unified theory beyond what she said.

I am genuinely not getting how the numbers are allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who, which is why I asked "how are they allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who". The only "missing" whole seasons are the theoretical 1985 S23, and the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27. If the numbers don't relate, how is anyone making the jump of deduction, and if they do, how does 16 tie in?

If anything, someone should be arguing that they were an early-episode wink that Moffatt was lying about there being no story arc this year, given that 16 and 23 are the only series/seasons to ever explicitly have one

(no timewyrmo)

I took suzy to mean:

Some years of her life are missing from the list

Some early years of Doctor Who are missing most of their episodes

That is the only connection; there is not actual significance or correlation beyond some numbers just not being there

having said that, I expect that there will actually be something important that comes up storywise that explains why those numbers aren't there, but right now the theory being floated is "some fan noticed numbers were missing and thought of missing episodes"; you're making this into a Big Grand Thing that isn't even worth thinking about

leaf first page = fall of trenzalore

or too much of a stretch?

Probably, seeing as we call it Autumn.

Are there any UK writers who are women who could become the showrunner? (Yes, I went there.)

sally wainwright

... and of course I have no idea who she is. /yankee

let's just call her hortensia buttocks for the sake of argument

/JOEKS

Any relation to Incontinentia Buttocks?

(Yeah, I went there.)

I enjoyed this one more than I've enjoyed Who in a while, it may because I was desperate for Amy and Rory to go away by the end.

Worst case scenario for the next showrunner is probably Gatiss.

blargleblargleblargle barf

actually i liked this one more than everything else this season, mostly bc the bad guys were nicely campy, but god i do not enjoy clara or matt smith or moffat's whole existence

clara isn't very interesting yet.

she was in Asylum of the Daleks

I was really really hoping they'd give the Doctor a Dalek companion tbh

I would love a companion that isn't human, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.

http://www.acmi.net.au/experience/images/img_dexter_perfectmatch.jpg

true i really liked her in the dalek story. but that's a totally different clara!

the thing I've found fascinating about the character is how they've taken the same basic template and put into three separate contexts (past/present/future), each with her own quirks but all sharing a similar wit and inquisitiveness

the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27.

ha ha four years ago Big Finish got him to actually make this, with versions of his, Platt's and Aaronovitch's intended stories that don't clash with subsequent "continuity" (ugh)[ie Ace stays on and becomes co-companion with her intended replacement] and I guess a new final one by him in which the Doctor doesn't regenerate?

now I want to hear these after I finish a current rewatch/watch with friends for first time of the Ace years

oh and a friend baked these li'l fellas for the first new ep last week

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/cakedaleks_zps1d4bb103.jpg

the Big Finish stuff is really good!

whoa sic yr friend's dalek cakes are awesome

Just caught up with last week's episode in time for the next. I liked the story, especially the fact that the world wasn't saved by emotion, hurrah. HATE THAT FUCKING "DOCTOR WHO?" THING, STOP IT NOW PLEASE. It's getting worse than "spoilers". Rolled my fucking eyes at motorbiking up the Shard - tried to tell myself it was for the kids but FFS I think that's doing down kids far too much.

I would love a companion that isn't human, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.

― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, April 3, 2013 9:28 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally agree with this - I kind of like the actress, but it would have been so much better if she'd come onboard as Dalek Clara.

Also agree that Moffat era is rubbish for women, although I know I've argued with Nicole re: the extent of said rubbishness (i.e. I still don't think Rory's a misogynist). At least in RTD era for every Rose you had someone strong or independent or queer or at the very least compelling.

i'd kinda wished when he was motorcycling up the building that they had just never shown it (at first i thought they might not), that it'd been like the whitewater rescue in white hot american summer and you'd just have clara watching and going 'omg he's doing it! he's actually doing it!' and then cut to doctor on motorcycle in office, broken window behind him.

just caught up with last week's episode in time for the next. I liked the story, especially the fact that the world wasn't saved by emotion, hurrah. HATE THAT FUCKING "DOCTOR WHO?" THING, STOP IT NOW PLEASE. It's getting worse than "spoilers". Rolled my fucking eyes at motorbiking up the Shard - tried to tell myself it was for the kids but FFS I think that's doing down kids far too much.

Emily otm about everything. I have a bad feeling Moffat is really in love with the "Doctor Who?" thing that's been going on for the past season or so, I have a feeling it's just going to get worse.

well getting her to say it 3x last week + "I like the way it sounds when you say that!" wd seem to be a calculated fuck-you to everyone who said it was wanky (Moffat likes that kind of gesture, right?)

(not watching the new one yet bcz of rubbish freeview reception, since analogue tv got shut off I just end up waiting for everything to end so I can iplayer it instead)