They addressed that with 'anything's better than being trapped in a living hell...'
― karl lagerlout (suzy), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah meant to add that
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
Clara's pencilled-in ages in the front of her book going from 22 to 24, anyone?
― ailsa, Monday, 1 April 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I noticed that too
currently guessing that someone is using her as bait for a Doctor trap and that she was taken when she was 23
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
16's also missing. Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.
― karl lagerlout (suzy), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
What are you talking about
― Gukbe, Monday, 1 April 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
oh lol I should have caught on to that
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
How is it allegorical to missing seasons of the programme
I don't know why Paul Cornell hasn't been invited back. Family of Blood in 2007 was his last episode.
If I was Cornell I could see not wanting to come back after the terrible rewriting of the end of that
But a) was his invitation actually rescinded after his pilot didn't get picked up? hadn't heard that, and b) when would he possibly have time to write one?
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Apparently it's allegorical to missing seasons of the programme.
oh god fanwank
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
now now lets hear suzy's theory out first
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
... it's not that complicated a theory; some of her years are missing from the book, and some seasons of Doctor Who are missing
if there's any more to it than that, good luck fandom
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
hopefully there is, because the second fanwank gets in the way (rather than being part of the scene/plot somehow) it's time to go home
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
that can't be it, because no seasons of Doctor Who are missing, and while Trial Of A Time Lord (#23) came after the hiatus, The Key To Time (#16) wasn't even delayed or affected by strike or anything
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
although tbh eliminating the key to time year and the trial year doesn't make all the sense in the world—they existed, they happened (obv i'm not pointing any of this at you suzy) xp
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
there was a non-Trial of a Time Lord season 23 that was cancelled by the hiatus, so in a sense it is a "missing" season.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but 16 doesn't fit with that in any way - it'd have to be 27 for the other number if so
but like I said, we should actually let suzy explain what she means before arguing over it
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
i thought she did tbh
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
that refers to series 16, which will be cancelled in 2021.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
haha yes
right now it seems awfully like the missing numbers are missing years of her life, which would fit with moffat's fetish for timey-wimey arcs
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
I assumed she just didn't read the book so much in those years because she was busy snogging and doing O-levels / working and saving for a trip
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
obv not since no-one has any idea what she meant!
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
I do not think the numbers correspond to actual season numbers, sic
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Monday, 1 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
how could they possibly allude to missing seasons, then
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
Not quite clear whether you're being gallant or a dick or just skipping reading comprehension here, sic - Suzy really doesn't have a grand unified theory beyond what she said.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 April 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
I am genuinely not getting how the numbers are allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who, which is why I asked "how are they allegorical to missing seasons of Doctor Who". The only "missing" whole seasons are the theoretical 1985 S23, and the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27. If the numbers don't relate, how is anyone making the jump of deduction, and if they do, how does 16 tie in?
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
If anything, someone should be arguing that they were an early-episode wink that Moffatt was lying about there being no story arc this year, given that 16 and 23 are the only series/seasons to ever explicitly have one
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
(no timewyrmo)
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Monday, 1 April 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
I took suzy to mean:
Some years of her life are missing from the list
Some early years of Doctor Who are missing most of their episodes
That is the only connection; there is not actual significance or correlation beyond some numbers just not being there
having said that, I expect that there will actually be something important that comes up storywise that explains why those numbers aren't there, but right now the theory being floated is "some fan noticed numbers were missing and thought of missing episodes"; you're making this into a Big Grand Thing that isn't even worth thinking about
― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
leaf first page = fall of trenzalore
or too much of a stretch?
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
Probably, seeing as we call it Autumn.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
Are there any UK writers who are women who could become the showrunner? (Yes, I went there.)
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
sally wainwright
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
... and of course I have no idea who she is. /yankee
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
let's just call her hortensia buttocks for the sake of argument
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
/JOEKS
Any relation to Incontinentia Buttocks?
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
(Yeah, I went there.)
― Leeena Dunham (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
I enjoyed this one more than I've enjoyed Who in a while, it may because I was desperate for Amy and Rory to go away by the end.
Worst case scenario for the next showrunner is probably Gatiss.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
blargleblargleblargle barf
actually i liked this one more than everything else this season, mostly bc the bad guys were nicely campy, but god i do not enjoy clara or matt smith or moffat's whole existence
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
clara isn't very interesting yet.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
she was in Asylum of the Daleks
I was really really hoping they'd give the Doctor a Dalek companion tbh
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
I would love a companion that isn't human, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.acmi.net.au/experience/images/img_dexter_perfectmatch.jpg
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
true i really liked her in the dalek story. but that's a totally different clara!
― s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
the thing I've found fascinating about the character is how they've taken the same basic template and put into three separate contexts (past/present/future), each with her own quirks but all sharing a similar wit and inquisitiveness
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
the less-theoretical (in that iirc Cartmel has identified the four scripts or stories that would have been commissioned) S27.
ha ha four years ago Big Finish got him to actually make this, with versions of his, Platt's and Aaronovitch's intended stories that don't clash with subsequent "continuity" (ugh)[ie Ace stays on and becomes co-companion with her intended replacement] and I guess a new final one by him in which the Doctor doesn't regenerate?
now I want to hear these after I finish a current rewatch/watch with friends for first time of the Ace years
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Saturday, 6 April 2013 05:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh and a friend baked these li'l fellas for the first new ep last week
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/cakedaleks_zps1d4bb103.jpg
― Devendra Bumhat (sic), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
the Big Finish stuff is really good!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
whoa sic yr friend's dalek cakes are awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 April 2013 06:30 (eleven years ago) link