Batman Begins: The Thread

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Call me skeptical that Shamalyan would have improved on either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG, "BRUCE WAYNE" IS JUST A MASK BUT BATMAN IS WHO HE REALLY IS!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheh. Wasn't that at the end when Bale and Wayne were doing that useless smooch scene? I kept looking over their shoulders.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40641000/jpg/_40641684_cruise203.jpg

CRUISEBOT CARES NOT THAT HOLMESBOT IS NOT RECAST. CRUISEBOT HAS OTHER THINGS TO DO. I ACKNOWLEDGE CROWD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Call me skeptical that Shamalyan would have improved on either.

True.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i would love crispin glover as the joker. or even the slightly-overused-these-days johnny depp!! has he ever done a bad guy?

Ah yes, the Trickster. Sub-Riddler character.

oh man. the riddler is already so sub-joker.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned why are you so cruel to celebrities?

Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Johnny Depp!!! Could be good, I think.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned why are you so cruel to celebrities?

Sir, at heart I am only cruel to you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't that at the end when Bale and Wayne were doing that useless smooch scene?

OW MY BRANE

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

See, now that would have been an ending. The hunk and the engorged ham together at last.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahah, man, what a typo. :-) Batman: Dead Ringers

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Christian Bale is terrif in general. He's an actual actor; unlikely he'll be an American star outside the Bat context.

He keeps this body morphing shit up, he'll kill himself. To go from less-than-dead to buff, well, I imagine that for months he:

Woke up at 4AM. Shoot up steroids, drink a shitload of protein, aerobics for an hour, pass out.

6AM. Woke up, sho0t up with Human Growth Hormone, more aerobics, eat some high calorie meal, pass out.

8 AM. Wake up, take more androgens, puke, pump iron for a few hours, answer email briskly.

Noon. More iron pumping, probably more drugs.

2PM. Another big meal.

3PM. Boxing, or some other stretch/pull excercize, perhaps enhanced by some sort of speedish drug.

5 PM. 3 steaks.

7PM - 8PM. Vibrate; take some Xanex.

8:30. Puke.

9PM. Watch Val Kilmer BATMAN, hiss "Pussy!", pass out.

Repeat for several months, no days off.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

tom cruise looks like his own action figure

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

At the Times Square station, where the Scientologists frighten passersby, one of the frighteners was a ringer for Cruise, he even oozed the same pustulant positivism.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom Cruise's arm looks photoshopped in.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw a late night post-show screening of this. I was drunk and fell asleep for a good part of it but from what I saw I have a hard time imagining what I missed would change my opinion much. While this could on some level be considered the 'best' Batman movie I found it to be the least enjoyable.

The whole beginning was just...MY KINGDOM FOR A CONCRETE NOUN. Control your fear, my anger outweighs by fear, vengeance your truth, all this grandiose talk that added up to jack shit. Between this and Episode One I'm surprised Liam Neeson hasn't jumped off a roof. Morgan Freeman bringing amiable warmth to a movie is right up there with me taking a good shit after eating taco bell in the Not News department. Michael Caine got shouldered with the rare and clumsy capper quips. Christian Bale was passable as Bruce Wayne but added little and JESUS CHRIST his Batman voice is hysterical. He already sounds a tad awkward anyway but when he gravels up and goes for ominous he's just pathetic. Michael Keaton did a way better job giving Batman a personality.

Aside from a few early moments with Thomas Wayne (well cast) and maybe Gordon (Gary Oldman was the only actor who seemed really intriguing in the parts I caught, sort of reminded me of Laurence Olivier in The Boys From Brazil in his determination to not just coast on skills a la Caine and Freeman but have something going under the surface despite being in an overwraught joke of a movie), the scenes just zipped along without gripping me despite their weighty tone. Actually it might be BECAUSE of that tone. I know a lot of people are anxious for a 'serious' Batman movie but Batman and all superheroes are to some degree completely ludicrous. It's hard to look at a LIVE HUMAN wearing that outfit and not giggle, ESPECIALLY when they're being excruciatingly earnest, and this movie seemed to be under the notion that we were at church.

I have a hard time believing this movie is gonna have legs at the theatre, but hey evidently people like draggy, self-serious tripe. I did like Holmes' homage to the batnipples.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

also the batmobile looked like a turd with cardboard taped to it, wtf.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, so if you are drunk and asleep you won't like this movie. Got it.

Can you point me at a movie that is enjoyable if you sleep through half of it?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

TRANSLATION: I was drunk and fell asleep for a good part of the movie, but don't mind me while I sound off for a couple of overlong paragraphs on the damn thing like I was paying attention to anything @ all. Also, Billy Beane wrote Moneyball.

DAMN YOU DANG!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

(You should be warned that the more you defend this tenuous, ridiculous position, the meaner and more insulting my teasing will become.)

(xpost: HAHA)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I fell asleep halfway through The Hurricane, after being up for 48 hours. I think I made a wise decision. (Sorry, Liev!)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I knew if told you guys I missed part of it you'd ignore everything else. Figured I'd see if you'd leap for the easy dismissal.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

LOTS of movies are enjoyable if you miss part of it. Lots of movies have interesting moments, good lines, beautiful images, GOOD STUFF in the beginning and end.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

THE EASY DISMISSAL = "I was drunk and fell asleep halfway through"!!! That's a slamdunk, son!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Would you pay any mind to an album review by someone who was drunk and passed out for part of it but wrote it up anyway?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Or maybe it's just me, but when someone says they weren't paying attention (and also drinking), I tend to throw what they say out the window. Call me crazy.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

totally! They may still have observations and opinions about tracks 1-4 and 7-10. I'm curious how you guys would react to that post if I didn't include the first sentence.

x-post dude I was SO paying attention to the movie. I wasn't blitzed off my gourd.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"Honey, did you enjoy the musical?"

"Oh god no! I fell asleep five minutes in! The music were awful, the lyrics were laughable, the costumes were ludicrous, and the blocking was from a public-school talent show. Nighttrain?"

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha! If that first line wasn't in your post, I would've asked: "Dude, did you watch the film drunk, or did you just fall asleep halfway through?"

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

you do realize you're frothing over the fact that someone dared comment on BATMAN BEGINS despite having seen it late at night after being at a bar. wtf?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan I watched Home Alone 2 drunk and slept through half of it and liked it loads more. Also Dune! And that one with the lesbian vampires.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

evidently fans of the movie DO look at it as church.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Miccio stand tall! I think your opinion is useful! I am not likely to see this in the cinema, I'm likely to see it on a DVD with a few beers or on TV in 10 years time after a big Xmas dinner and as such yours is the only honest guide to my probable experience.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Batman Begins at a late show IN a bar. I drank a pitcher of beer while watching it, and had a few shots before arriving. And yet I somehow have the idea that if I didn't watch the whole thing, maybe my opinion wouldn't mean as much. Perhaps you'd also like to write movie reviews after only seeing the trailer, since obviously you don't need to see the whole movie.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

vengeance your truth

Miccio wins!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't comment on the Scarecrow cuz I missed most of his stuff (though that last scene with the horse was pretty hahahahaohwaitthisisaseriousmoviei'mnotsupposedtolaugh). I only commented on the parts I saw. It's possible the middle of the movie transcends the rote, leaden bullshit of its first and third acts and achieves some stunning, gripping drama. I do not know.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, if you don't want people to "go for the easy dismissal", perhaps you shouldn't be so quick and proud to talk completely out of your ass.

(xpost: Tom, I don't know exactly how much I'd have to drink before voluntarily watching "The Hunger" but I suspect it might put me in the hospital.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(xxpost: Oh for fuck's sake, Anthony.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

It wasn't the Hunger it was the other one. :(

Dammit how come I remember the exact track order of Morrissey albums and not the names of lesbian vampire films?

BTW if Miccio had posted saying "I walked out halfway through, it was shit and here's why" would people still complain? I agree the "easy dismissal" comment was way cheeky.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Forgive me for not peppering my posts w/ the feel-good winky-winks, AM, but, yeah, I'm gleefully partaking of the Kool-Aid in this Batcase, and everything that you said in your post (w/ or w/out the "SO WASTED BRAH" lead-in) is stuff I didn't see in the flick @ all. Also, given the dire straits of the movie industry this year (ticket sales are down from last year OH NO!), I feel it's my need to nip seemingly slanderous stuff in the bud. You may now continue being defensive.

Tom, please to research the name of this "lesbian vampire" movie so I can get my post-work alcopop schwerve on. (Oh dang was it some Deneuve / Sarandon nookie? Oh yeah.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless Tom meant Vampyros Lesbos!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha I totally understand AM's sentiments but I also think that if he went back to see it sober and conscious he'd realize his ire is misplaced, it's exactly the kind of fanciful gibberish that grates HORRIBLY when you've had a few and are out of sorts but all in all the film is actually fucking awesome.

ESPECIALLY the batmobile. The batmobile ESPECIALLY.

NB: I have always hated Batman.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Pete will know.

No not that one either Andrew :(

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim Booth from James?

Confirmed: Yes, Tim Booth from James as Mr Zsaz!

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Stepmom would have been a much better film with vampires.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

This is reminding me of when my family went to see "Mission: Impossible" during the weekend of my brother's graduation from law school. He had been partying like a fiend right up until graduation so he passed out relatively early in the movie but didn't realize it, prompting him to say "That movie made no sense! I mean, one second they're in Prague, then suddenly Tom Cruise is hanging from the ceiling in some random room with all of these extra characters who've never been introduced! What the hell were they thinking?" I didn't even like the movie but SERIOUSLY NOW, how is what he said in any way sensible or credible? Why shouldn't I make just as much fun of you for your ill-informed, incomplete take on the movie as I did him?

(xpost: ... "Queen of the Damned"? Hahahaha.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

haha Dan I'd love a good DePalma action scene in any context. and what did I say that resembles "all of a sudden all this shit had changed! bad movie!"?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom, did this flick star Alyssa Milano?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I blinked and missed Mr. Zsaz.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link


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