I somehow missed The Jimmy Castor Bunch album being nominated, would have voted for that. Any funk albums I might have missed in that section? I don't recognise all the titles.
these are the ones i can tell apart. las grecas are/were a flamenco rock band but they do sound hella funky in their own peculiar way.
522 Tower of Power - Urban Renewal 366 3 0525 Las Grecas - Gipsy Rock 362 3 0526 The Lafayette Afro Rock Band - Soul Makossa 361 4 0530 Tower of Power - Back to Oakland 356 3 0535 Black Merda - Black Merda 343 3 0538 The Wild Magnolias - The Wild Magnolias 341 3 0570 Ofege - Ofege 291 4 0592 Kool & The Gang - Live At The Sex Machine 263 2 0599 The Undisputed Truth - S/T 259 2 0
― cock chirea, Friday, 29 March 2013 08:11 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ plus there's like 4 Graham Central Station records strewn amongst that stretch
― today's tom soy yum, mean mean thai (Spectrist), Friday, 29 March 2013 08:15 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks. I voted for one of the Tower of Power albums and The Lafayette Afro Rock Band. A few of those I've not heard of and will look into.
I mentioned earlier in the thread Graham Central Station are one of those bands I'm sure I'd like but I've just never got hearing, think I need to change that.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 29 March 2013 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
just catching up with the results now. Great stuff, would never have guessed Satori would win it. Vol 4 was my #1 vote. Thanks AG and FnB for a brilliant run-down, I've already discovered loads of new stuff and intend to discover more!
Thinking about the results I reckon Neil Young is the ghost at the feast. I think the top 100, and possibly the top 10, might have looked very different if all his albums had been allowed. Tonight's the Night or On the Beach might have been #1 I think. I understand why he was vetoed, just an interesting thought experiment.
― Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2013 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
some more Bowie and Kraftwerk in there could have changed the climate as well. but yeah, appreciate why they weren't in contention.
― charlie h, Friday, 29 March 2013 10:08 (eleven years ago) link
With a good dose of fusion in this poll, kind of surprised this wasn't nominated:
Jeff Beck - Wired (1976)
Beck was one of the few rockers to make the transition to jazz. His 1976 masterpiece Wired – particularly his cover of Charles Mingus’s Goodbye Pork Pie Hat – is one of the few albums you could describe as jaw-dropping and mean it. Entirely instrumental, and at just under 35 minutes comparatively short, Wired is an album that passes in a blur of high-speed funk, ultra-heavy technoflash guitar solos and thrilling power chords. Yes, it’s Beck shamelessly showing off, but it’s hardly self-indulgent. It’s like a shopping list of musical ideas and directions, each of which could have spawned an entire album in its own right. Marvellous. -- Tommy Udo, Classic Rock
Found this while trying to find Udo's feature on Christian Vander & Magma that was in the Prog issue in '09, Life, the universe and everything, which doesn't seem to be online.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
I thought I posted this last night but it didn't take?
When I was typing in Greil Marcus' review of Pink Flag I found this:
The Pirates - Out Of Their Skulls (WB, 1977)
I confess an affection for the Pirates' first American album, Out of Their Skulls, that far exceeds its critical worth. A three-piece band of the British pub-rock persuasion, the Pirates have been around since the early Sixties. Now they are picking up pedantic bits from R&B standards and pummeling them into the New Wave format. Mindful that R&B is an old genre that's found a new audience, this outfit orchestrates like an electric washboard ensemble. NO horns, no strings, no fancy harmonies. "Drinkin' Win Spo'D'O'D"--a clever misspelling--is a strong indication of the Pirates' roots; the song's been recorded by practically every R&B artist worth his bourbon. The Pirates jumble its beat but leave its dancing spirit intact, perhaps even enhanced, with their enthusiasm.Lead singer Johnny Spence (in the instant tradition of Richard Hell and Tom Robinson) growls and gargles as if he'd swallowed a luffa mitt and is enjoying the sensation of relieving its itch. On both the live and studio sides of the LP, the lyrics and guitarist Mick Green's passion for repetition make less sense than the heady emotions they actually convey. Green plays simultaneous lead and rhythm guitar in a sharp, choppy manner that reminds me of John Lennon. (Who influenced whom?)At any rate, the Pirates are providing joy and sustenance, and Out of Their Skulls is a record that will outlive its value as mere "product." Like they say: "We'll be together/Till the very last show." Amen. -- Susan Shapiro, RS
Mindful that R&B is an old genre that's found a new audience, this outfit orchestrates like an electric washboard ensemble. NO horns, no strings, no fancy harmonies. "Drinkin' Win Spo'D'O'D"--a clever misspelling--is a strong indication of the Pirates' roots; the song's been recorded by practically every R&B artist worth his bourbon. The Pirates jumble its beat but leave its dancing spirit intact, perhaps even enhanced, with their enthusiasm.
Lead singer Johnny Spence (in the instant tradition of Richard Hell and Tom Robinson) growls and gargles as if he'd swallowed a luffa mitt and is enjoying the sensation of relieving its itch. On both the live and studio sides of the LP, the lyrics and guitarist Mick Green's passion for repetition make less sense than the heady emotions they actually convey. Green plays simultaneous lead and rhythm guitar in a sharp, choppy manner that reminds me of John Lennon. (Who influenced whom?)
At any rate, the Pirates are providing joy and sustenance, and Out of Their Skulls is a record that will outlive its value as mere "product." Like they say: "We'll be together/Till the very last show." Amen. -- Susan Shapiro, RS
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
Uh, what tha f...?????
I mean.... sorta speechless here
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
"Satori"? I've heard it. It's quite good. In fact, it's good but...
Seems like a certain constituency on ILM voted in this poll. It's a rock poll, though, so fair enough but then why have Curtis Mayfield in it?
I reckon Neil Young is the ghost at the feast. I think the top 100, and possibly the top 10, might have looked very different if all his albums had been allowed.
Ummmmmmmmmm, what's that all about?
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway, I'm really out of the loop as to what da kidz are rating these days
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
Eh, well, it was AG's vision for his poll and the people who voted had to go along with it. But technically it wasn't "a rock poll", rather a "Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit" poll.
― emil.y, Friday, 29 March 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
for kitchen person
504 Graham Central Station - Release Yourself 397 4 0507 Black Nasty - Talking To The People 390 5 0530 Tower of Power - Back to Oakland 356 3 0535 The Next Morning - The Next Morning 343 3 0545 Graham Central Station - Mirror 333 3 0559 Fela Kuti - Gentleman 308 2 0560 Graham Central Station - Graham Central Station 306 3 0561 Fela Kuti - Shuffering and Shmiling 305 2 0576 Graham Central Station - My Radio Sure Sounds Good To Me 284 3 0592 Kool & The Gang - Live At The Sex Machine 263 2 0
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
Tom D now you got over the shock of the results are there any albums the poll has made you want to hear?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
hey thx for the pirates review fastnbulbous, one of the few 70s reviews itt that actually gets it right! they have a great live album too.
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's that hard to understand how satori won. There was no vote splitting for one. On the nominations thread I talked about how Made in Japan has some of my favorite songs of theirs, but Satori is clearly their best album. With bands like Black Sabbath or Can it's almost arbitrary what gets picked because I think most will agree they have multiple equally great albums. Satori is also fairly accessible and not as divisive as some of the other "Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit" that got nominated. And only one person chose it as #1 so it's not like a lot of people were wildly overrating it, it's just that many people ranked it.
― wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
a triumph for AG's philosophy: "campaign, campaign, campaign"
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 29 March 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
john cale got shafted eh
― c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
Well, whatever anyone says, it's really a rock poll, it's not a best album of the 70s poll. Unless somebody has a better explanation for "Paris 1919", "Desertshore" or "Rock Bottom" not being in there at all. Or lack of electronic music.
There's a few I hadn't heard of before but I am not filled with an urgent desire to go out and listen to "Argus" by Wishbone Ash, for example. Overall, poll doesn't really reflect my tastes. Didn't realise people still liked Joy Division!
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
There had already been two best album of the 70s polls and most didn't want another version of that just to reaffirm 'canon'. People asked for a poll in the style of last years 80s poll- The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - ALBUMS! Top 20! ends today . (which I assume you saw, Tom?) Which tbh wasn't possible so this was as close as possible and most voted in the spirit of the 80s poll.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
Don't remember that poll, anyway you know I'm not that interested in these mega polls, I mean There had already been two best album of the 70s polls, say no more.
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway if you read upthread , *if I do a 60s poll next(in a couple of months maybe) it will likely be an all-genre poll rather than a rock poll (though it's possible people may still vote in the rock spirit of these polls)
*johnny fever may decide to do the poll himself as he mentioned a 60s poll first apparently so I wont steal it from him as that wouldn't be fair.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
Don't remember that poll, anyway you know I'm not that interested in these mega polls, I mean There had already been two best album of the 70s polls, say no more.― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.),
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.),
and all 3 had different results.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah well good luck with those 60s polls, but I'm not voting in those either! I found a list I'd made up for a best album of 70s poll but I don't think I ever sent it in. It was also mysteriously short on some of my favourite albums, so there may have been some strict rules about what was in or out.
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
Oh and by the way, have people just not heard "Kill City" or something?
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
Well that is why there are nominations threads - so you can nominate all you want to vote for. And unlike other polls I have no limits on nominations.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
It's interesting to see where the zeitgeist is
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't realise people still liked Joy Division!
otm. or the fall.
― Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
the zeitgeist is with spotify, i'd posit. how many people would have tracked down a copy of satori? i wouldn't have. i didn't vote for it either, but i only heard it because it was on spotify.
winners:
j. copespotifysabbathsatori
i feel similarly detached from caring about the actual results because the concept still seems kinda weird to me -- it's what makes this a contest rather than a survey, and personally i tend to prefer surveys to contests. but that's because i'm not into the "insider sports"/influence jockeying angle of music enjoyment. i can see how it would be enjoyable for those people.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
lol did you miss the 2 films & ~300 books that popped up in recent years? Joy div are an industry, man. xp
(I like em)
― c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
imho a poll like this is just a fun way of being exposed to new music. kerr could've started a thread called "70s albums that rock" but probably wouldn't have gotten the same level of participation or enthusiasm. judging the poll on the only metric that matters to me - the quantity of new music i was exposed to - i think it was a huge success. i don't really care about whether it meaningfully represents any serious kind of consensus or zeitgest tho.
― Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I kept thinking, "Has this poll got anything to do with the influence of Julian Cope?" But I thought I was being a bit dense in even thinking that.
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really care about whether it meaningfully represents any serious kind of consensus or zeitgest tho.
Well I don't care that much about that either!
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Don't really get this sentiment. Do you ever get people going "I didn't realise people still liked the Beatles"? What's it supposed to imply? Is it a condemnation of people "still liking" something even though it's passe? Am I supposed to somehow outgrow the music I like? Are younger people supposed to reject all old music? Have Joy Division somehow become shit, despite nothing about them changing?
― emil.y, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
e) all of the above
― emil.y, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
No, I like Joy Division too, I assumed they were considered a bit old hat these days
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?
― Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
I don't hear much talk of them I suppose (xp)
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
some things don't age well, it happens. JD haven't changed but much else has, could be same diff
― c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
it's what makes this a contest rather than a survey, and personally i tend to prefer surveys to contests. but that's because i'm not into the "insider sports"/influence jockeying angle of music enjoyment. i can see how it would be enjoyable for those people.
But it absolutely wasn't a contest. Not a bit.
It was about ilxors discovering lots of new albums via nominations/voting/results threads.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Do you ever get people going "I didn't realise people still liked the Beatles"?
Not often enough.
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, March 29, 2013 4:54 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think either would be cool, but I quite like idea of the messy melange of stuff that an all-time poll could bring.
Ha, I mainly used them because I don't like 'em myself, but *even I* don't say that.
― emil.y, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
The best way for anyone to change the polls to their liking is tonominatecampaignvotemore campaigning.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
ok -- i'll believe you, but ime a nomination followed by a campaign usually leads to a contest at the end of which there is a winner. just sayin!
srs q: if i run that non-western canon poll, should it be limited to a particular frame of time, or all of music history?fwiw the latter sounds insane -- limited!
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
its more effective than complaining or doing nothing
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
I'm OK with polls for bands with fairly small discographies, beyond that I'll leave it to other people
― Step not on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
I too felt emil.y's sentiments. Or perhaps it was meant that because of the two movies, Joy Division enjoyed a spike in mainstream popularity that would have petered out by now given it's been a few years. However that wouldn't make sense, as ILM is hardly mainstream.
For me the poll had the biggest impact during nominations and voting and campaigning. Because of the recommendations, I tracked down and heard a ton of great music, and once I catch up on sleep and hopefully avoiding getting sick from those whole deal, my life will be better for it ;) The rollout was just the fun icing.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 29 March 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
LL -the polls have never been about what wins it or is in the top 10 (even though some do want it to be that way complete with suspense of only having a top 50)but my polls are always about introducing all kinds of albums to wider ilx. I personally find the more interesting results are outside of a top 100 and loved albums by a few people are as least as important as albums lots of people find ok. In a decade poll it obviously can mean there's lots more albums to choose from than an EOY poll - hence large rollout.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 29 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
I think all-time would get a lot more participation.
― wk, Friday, 29 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link